Dave Galanter
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Mr Honey Bunny

In Reply To
Andrew

Subj: I'm all for it
Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 at 10:10:00 am EDT
Reply Subj: Would resurrecting Harry Osborn be a good idea?
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 at 11:44:45 pm EDT

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So from what we can tell, Marvel's currently in the process of bringing Spider-Man and his world "back to basics" with "One More Day" and the upcoming "Brand New Day" storyline. While we aren't quite positive yet, it's highly likely that there will be a cosmic reset of some sort, giving Spidey his secret identity back and possibly getting rid of the marriage. Aunt May will, likely, also be left alive when all is said and done.

I recall a recent interview where Joe Quesada and JMS were complaining about certain aspects of Spider-Man and what has been done to him over the years, one of those things being that most of his supporting cast has either been written out or killed off. One of the specific complaints was that "Peter has no friends left" and there was some minor bitching about Harry Osborn not being around anymore, thus Peter has no best friend.

Now, I know that Norman Osborn was brought back (much to the dismay of many long-time fans, although I don't mind it), and while there have been some hints in a few storylines over the last decade that Harry Osborn is also still alive, it has always been a red herring and no legitimate attempt at bringing back Harry has ever been undergone by Spider-Man's writers since Norman's return (and yes I know that Harry was going to be the mastermind behind the clone saga and Bob Harras decided it should be Norman; that's beside the point). And face it, Norman Osborn will never be killed off again, ever, despite how much this may anger some people. It's just something we all have to live with.

I personally feel that, despite Norman being around, bringing Harry Osborn back would probably be a good move in the long-term, and imagine what a kickass story the return would be. Yeah, I know it would suck to ruin Spectacular Spider-Man #200, a brilliant story by J.M. DeMatteis chronicling the death of Harry Osborn, but let's face it; the best DeMatteis story ever, Amazing Spider-Man #400, was ruined years ago and Aunt May is likely never going to be killed off again. On the other hand, I have a feeling that "Kraven's Last Hunt" will never be undone, especially since Kraven's son is running around, so at least DeMatteis can still have that one.

The primary reason I think that bringing Harry back would be a good idea, is because it would fundamentally change Norman and Peter's relationship. Think about it; since Harry's death and Norman's return, each has blamed the other for Harry's death. Now, if Harry were alive and in hiding, unbeknownst to each of them, only to finally reveal himself as a new threat, imagine the reactions from Norman and Peter. Plus, Harry could finally be given the spotlight as an evil, conniving bastard that can finally step out of his father's shadow and become a genuine threat to not only Peter Parker, but also to Norman Osborn. Really, the inevitable Green Goblin vs. Green Goblin fight would be amazing, especially with Spidey caught in the middle not knowing who to help (or even if he should help either of them at all).

And hey, if they choose not to have Harry be evil, at least Peter finally gets his best friend back and he can remain a long-term supporting cast member once again.

So, any opinions?

> So from what we can tell, Marvel's currently in the process of bringing Spider-Man and his world "back to basics" with "One More Day" and the upcoming "Brand New Day" storyline. While we aren't quite positive yet, it's highly likely that there will be a cosmic reset of some sort, giving Spidey his secret identity back and possibly getting rid of the marriage. Aunt May will, likely, also be left alive when all is said and done.
>
> I recall a recent interview where Joe Quesada and JMS were complaining about certain aspects of Spider-Man and what has been done to him over the years, one of those things being that most of his supporting cast has either been written out or killed off. One of the specific complaints was that "Peter has no friends left" and there was some minor bitching about Harry Osborn not being around anymore, thus Peter has no best friend.
>
> Now, I know that Norman Osborn was brought back (much to the dismay of many long-time fans, although I don't mind it), and while there have been some hints in a few storylines over the last decade that Harry Osborn is also still alive, it has always been a red herring and no legitimate attempt at bringing back Harry has ever been undergone by Spider-Man's writers since Norman's return (and yes I know that Harry was going to be the mastermind behind the clone saga and Bob Harras decided it should be Norman; that's beside the point). And face it, Norman Osborn will never be killed off again, ever, despite how much this may anger some people. It's just something we all have to live with.
>
> I personally feel that, despite Norman being around, bringing Harry Osborn back would probably be a good move in the long-term, and imagine what a kickass story the return would be. Yeah, I know it would suck to ruin Spectacular Spider-Man #200, a brilliant story by J.M. DeMatteis chronicling the death of Harry Osborn, but let's face it; the best DeMatteis story ever, Amazing Spider-Man #400, was ruined years ago and Aunt May is likely never going to be killed off again. On the other hand, I have a feeling that "Kraven's Last Hunt" will never be undone, especially since Kraven's son is running around, so at least DeMatteis can still have that one.
>
> The primary reason I think that bringing Harry back would be a good idea, is because it would fundamentally change Norman and Peter's relationship. Think about it; since Harry's death and Norman's return, each has blamed the other for Harry's death. Now, if Harry were alive and in hiding, unbeknownst to each of them, only to finally reveal himself as a new threat, imagine the reactions from Norman and Peter. Plus, Harry could finally be given the spotlight as an evil, conniving bastard that can finally step out of his father's shadow and become a genuine threat to not only Peter Parker, but also to Norman Osborn. Really, the inevitable Green Goblin vs. Green Goblin fight would be amazing, especially with Spidey caught in the middle not knowing who to help (or even if he should help either of them at all).
>
> And hey, if they choose not to have Harry be evil, at least Peter finally gets his best friend back and he can remain a long-term supporting cast member once again.
>
> So, any opinions?

I posted a plot of my own to get him back into the spidey titles, here on the SMB months ago. Here is the repost with modifications in the end because of CW and all the things that happened since :

All those years, Norman Osborn has been a threat for his country as he is responsible, amoung other rich men, for the creation of some super villains (As seen in MKSM 09). Years ago, the SHIELD and Nick Fury gathered a lot of informations about Norman and planned to stop him. Though Norman faked his own death, so the SHIELD dropped that case (ASM 122). But when they heard that Norman was possibly alive, they had to search him and arrest him in order to learn from him the ID of the other rich buisnessmen that contributed in creating super villains. They were in need of a super agent to bring him back and they thought his own son would be the best choice : Harry Osborn would find his father for them and would never kill his own father. The SHIELD contacted Harry and the news his father was alive did nothing good to his already weak and tortured mind (Some weeks prior to Spectacular 178). Anyway, Harry accepted the mission and the fact he had to keep all of this a secret, even from his own family. Where the SHIELD screwed is when they gave him the same formula that changed Stan Carter into the Sin Eater. They perfected it but unfortunately, this and the goblin formula, drove Harry to the edge of madness in just a few weeks. He completely lost control and forgot everything he had to do, just destroy Peter. The backlash of the formula gave him hallucinations like Stan Carter had. Before everything went too far, The Shield chose to stop him by themselves and put him in a coma that looked like a death due to the serum(Spectacular 200). They took his body back some days after, and have him in suspended life somewhere in the SHIELD's HQ. When Norman came back soon after that, he tried to rebuild a reputation for himself and so the Shield was not able to go after him immediately and then he went nuts for a time(At the end of the Clone Saga and before the Relaunch). All they needed was Norman to make a mistake and it happened when Norman killed a Bugle's journalist, Norman went in custody(Pulse 1). As soon as Norman was exposed as the Green Goblin he was also exposed to the others rich guys, like him, who would kill him in order to keep him silent. So the Shield wanted to take him out before he is killed, unfortunately spider-man helped him to escape(MKSM 10). Now, Norman is leading the Thunderbolts under the gouvernment apparent control and Tony Stark is leading the S.H.I.E.L.D. Tony would discover that they kept one of Peter's best friend in an artificial coma all those years and that he is also the perfect soldier to stop Norman Osborn'actions that he now feels reponsible for. The SHIELD will bring Harry back to life. The problem being that Harry won't be happy that the SHIELD used him like that and that he spent years in coma because of them. The situation will soon turn out of control again and non other than Spider-Man will be asked to stop his worst friend from doing things he would regret.


Now, there would be a lot of fun :

Would Harry get revenge on his father ?
Would he join Peter and the New Avengers ?
Would he try to get revenge over the SHIELD for what they did to him ?
Is Tony doing this for Peter (bringing him back his long lost friend) or for himself (wishing Norman's fall) ? Is he just doing what the SHIELD did years ago, using Harry ?
Would Harry go public or hide from his family ?
Would the Thunderbolts/New Avengers/Mighty Avengers go in collision with Peter/Norman, Harry/Norman, Tony/Norman, Peter/Tony, Harry/Tony's grudges entering into play ?

There's plenty of fun things to write out of that.

And, as for Spectacular 200 or ASM 400, I think a story can't be ruined. It always stand on his own. Spectacular 200 and ASM 400 will always be terrific stories in their context. It doesn't matter we are being said that Aunt May still alive later on, at the time, it was for REAL. I still read them the way it was intended to be.




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