> Yay! This thread has nothing whatsoever to do with OMD/BND!
> Here's some Hobbie related questions for you:
> 1) What's your favourite all-time Hobgoblin story (you can choose any of them - Kingsley, Macendale, that female one from 2211 etc)?
It may be a bizarre choice, but the Spider-Man/Hobgoblin vs Demogoblin/Doppleganger tag-team match from Spider-Man #24 is an old favorite.
> 2) What did you think of the Flash being framed storyline?
It was yet another "false unmasking", and at least more than one-too-many by that point, and the false unmasking-teases were what killed my interest in the plot, although Flash's character arc through that era DOES make for some good material.
> 3) What was your initial reaction to ASM #289 (Hobbie revealed as Ned Leeds)?
"Hobgoblin is dead, long live the Hobgoblin! No more *^@*% mystery!"
By this point, after so many teased endings and false unmaskings, they had written themselves into a corner that DEMANDED it be SOMEONE IMPORTANT (and none of the no-names dragged up a decade later were ever going to cut it). Ned was the biggest name the franchise could really spare, someone who'd been around since the early years, but never really had much personality until DeFalco made him a really intense guy who drank way too much coffee.
The only problem being that Ned was dead by this point. Without even wanting to get into the whole behind-the-scenes debacle that was going on at the time with DeFalco, Priest, etc, PAD ended up making the best of the situation, and gave us something more powerful, memorable and unique that the bog-standard "hero defeats and unmasks villain" resolution that such "mystery villain" plots usually have.
> 4) If you're an old-time fan (or just an old fan) and were reading Spidey in the 80s - who did you think Hobgoblin was at the time?
I honestly don't remember who, if anyone, I thought it was at the time.
> 5) If Stern's plan of the 'evil twin' Kingley was originally done in the 80s comics, how do you think you would have reacted to the revelation at the time?
Pretty much the same kind of "Roderick WHO? What is this crap?" It felt like a cheat in 1997, and would've felt like a cheat in the 1980s, too. I tend to fear that Stern is so highly thought of by so many fans that the majority would just smile and accept whatever he gave them, though.
> 6) What did you think of Hobgoblin Lives?
Well, the art's nice. And that's about all the good I can say about a miniseries that stands as the biggest "bad comic the majority thinks is good" in Spider-Man history. Dragging obscure non-entities out of over a decade in limbo and parading them around as plausible suspects for a major villain does not a good mystery make, and "original idea" or not, the "identical bald twin" thing is a horribly lame cheat, and the done-in-3-pages "final battle" is weak, unmemorable, and utterly fails to make the villain look like a credible threat worth bringing back in the first place.
That we had a well-developed and characterised Hobgoblin quickly, stupidly and implausibly killed off and replaced with an obscure non-entity of a poor-man's Norman Osborn no-one wants to use, and people APPROVED of this, makes me want to flip out and cut heads off.
This miniseries killed the Hobgoblin's career.
> 7) What's been best and worst Hobgoblin incarnation? (Kingley, mercenary Madendale, demonic Inferno Macendale, Demogoblin, souped-up clone saga era Hobgoblin, Bendis Secret War Hobgoblin, 2211 Hobgoblin... am I forgetting any?)
I'll take any version of Macendale-as-Hobgoblin, outside of the Todd-o-Mac-era religious zealot demon. I did like Demogoblin as his own character, though.
> Pretty much the same kind of "Roderick WHO? What is this crap?" It felt like a cheat in 1997, and would've felt like a cheat in the 1980s, too. I tend to fear that Stern is so highly thought of by so many fans that the majority would just smile and accept whatever he gave them, though.
The thing is, Roderick Kingsley was the only character who had been shown through the entire storyline to have a connection to the character - really, the biggest clue to his identity in the entire run - and the nature of this connection had never been revealed prior to this series (it was clear that he at least knew who Hobgoblin was), so it wasn't really as out of the blue as it might appear. It might have helped if the writers following DeFalco hadn't completely abandoned the character (although they might well have made the storyline completely unreconcilable too).
Personally I also thought the rationale for the characters realising that Ned wasn't the real Hobgoblin was thoroughly sound.
The brother thing was a bit silly but he had been mentioned in the storylines where Kingsley and Hobgoblin appeared simultaneously.
> That we had a well-developed and characterised Hobgoblin quickly, stupidly and implausibly killed off and replaced with an obscure non-entity of a poor-man's Norman Osborn no-one wants to use, and people APPROVED of this, makes me want to flip out and cut heads off.
> This miniseries killed the Hobgoblin's career.
Perhaps. I think it more likely that the return of Norman Osborn is what really superseded the Hobgoblins' place in the Spider-Man universe. (Although I can't help but wonder what Peter David had in mind for the character - or, for that matter, why Marvel didn't let him do it.)