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Subj: True, BUT, readers know that semesters of college take X months, etc. - so . . .
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 02:04:46 pm EST
Reply Subj: Comics is not in real time. 20 years worth of comics can barely be 2 years in comic timeNT
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 01:18:09 pm EST

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> The arguement is one that deserves discussion: "A critical part of Spider-Man is that he developes and evolves over time. That was clear even in Stan's stories. This is a DC-style, step backward, which is achoice that Marvel never used to make. It invalidates 20 years of stories."
> Let me offer my perspective on this idea.
> Continuity is not a worthwhile goal when it comes at the expense of the character.
> There is simply MORE continuity than when Stan was writing and at some point, reconciling it becomes a categorically different challenge. Every issue, every arc, every development, every time marker makes it harder to pretend Parker hasn't aged. Especially when those time markers necessarily indicate a life changing, stage in human development like marriage.
> High school and college are more differences in degree, relative to maturity, not differences in the TYPE of maturity one has. Do Spider-Man fans really expect that when we reach issue 10,000, all 10,000 issues will be treated as some sort of canon?
> At some point, some of this continuity will have to be shed.
> Stan, God bless him, NEVER faced this challenge while writing a major title.
> Often times OMD haters try to pretend Parker hasn't aged, but regardless of what number you lable him with, he was being written as a man entering into his 30s if not older.
> Ironically, when writers don't do this, marriage fans complain that Peter should know better, should behave better, should have learned...etc...
> Its the fans expectations of Peter's behavior given his experiences (along with time markers) that age him.
> Imagine, if someone had written a story that played Peter as being a newlywed, or making a decision that someone new to marriage might make. We would have fans up in arms: "They've been married too long for him to do or say that!"
> I'm reminded of two reviewers who, in their criticism, revealed that they see Spider-man as older than his BND behavior indicated.
> And THAT is the problem. At some point the stories, when full of big time markers, age the character just by their very nature. I argue that marriage is just one marker too many.
> Two unavoidable creative realities: We need no more big new time markers that can't be easily undone and continuity will be shed every 15 years or so.
> An interesting side-note: whether Slott and Queseda draw attention to it or not, BND is de-aging Parker. Oh they may, for the sake of continuity try to get around this somehow, but they clearly are writing him younger.
> Good on them, says I.
> Victor

[first off, I'm a 33 yr-old reader of Spidey since the late 70's]

. . . No matter what the writer does - whether 12 monthly issues take place within 2 days of Spidey's world - we the readers still wind up with a certain amount of "pasting together" of time chunks that amount to years and years of real life as we know it.

For example, the mere fact of putting Peter graduate HS and then go to college at ESU, and the mere acknowledgement in stories of having him pass final exams, etc. tells our reader's mind that a certain number of semesters-worth of months/weeks have elapsed. Patch this all together and you get years and years and years worth of time piling up, and at best, you wind up with at LEAST a 28-to-32 year-old Peter Parker.

Marvel doesn't want this to keep happening, so they revise history a bit to allow our reader's mind - which is otherwise just chock-full and overflowing with "continuity" (stories which equate to TIME ELAPSING in Peter's world) - to "reset" a bit. I don't know how ling it will take me to get comfortable reading BND and beyond before my mind "synchs" with the new status quo, but I'm confident it will happen, and it won't, in the long-run, really damage my personal relationship to the stories I read before (and may read again), nor my overall affection for the fictional character of Peter/Spidey.

So, I can't do anything about the change, and am going to do whjat I always have done since I began reading way back when: Buy it and enjoy it when it is "good" IMO, and take breaks from my character's life when reading Spidey books is unappealing (I skipped nearly the entire 90's, mostly because I was in college studying, partying, chasing women and learning to live on my own and figure out a career).

Right now, I have no reason to stop reading about Peter. Maybe I will in the next few months, or maybe I will find out that my continuity-brain will get over it and keep reading - after all, I have read NONE of the clone saga and don't need to do so in order to enjoy Spider-Man - I just need good stories that make me turn the page with anticipation and want the next issue in my hands ASAP.

That is what really matters as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry for the long post.

Take care,

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