Dave Galanter
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QRG

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stillanerd

Subj: What difference does it make?
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 08:08:10 pm EST
Reply Subj: You do realize that Brubaker had a hand in contributing to OMD/BND, don't you?
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 at 06:46:46 pm EST

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Don't believe me? Well, according to Joe Quesada himself, Brubaker was one of the guys that was brought in as part of creating Spidey's new status quo:

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"Well, to be completely clear, the idea for "OMD" WAS ACTUALLY CREATED BY A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE. From the very first day I was in the EIC chair, I made no secret of the fact that I felt that a married Peter Parker wasn't the best thing for an ongoing Spider-Man universe. The problem was that we never had a decent methodology to get ourselves out of it. I always said that if we ever found a way to do it, I would pursue the avenues to get us there.

Close to two years ago at one of our creative summits, the seeds of that idea began to blossom. Those ideas were then taken and a two week long e-mail chain began where we started to throw around ideas until we got the story kind of where we wanted it to be. The guys involved in all of this from the beginning were Joe, Bendis, Millar, Loeb, Tom Brevoort, Axel Alonso and myself. It then all carried over to the next summit, at which ED BRUBAKER and Dan Slott also had some stuff to add."

http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12673

How much Brubaker contributed is a question, but the fact that he DID make contributions shows that he has a vested interest in seeing Brand New Day succeed, since it appears he helped to bring it about. So of course, he's going to justify the decision to break up the marriage in order to make the new status quo work because he was a part of it. His comment of "I don't care how they get there" is, in that regard, disingenuous because he knew from the beginning how they were getting there.

> He makes some really good points.
>
> "I've said this to a bunch of fans at this point, so I'll repeat it again... I don't care how they get there, the Brand New Day Spider-man is something that's been needed for a long long time. Marrying Peter and MJ was a huge mistake and not even the people who wrote the books back then thought it was a good idea, they were just forced to do it by Shooter.
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> And every single creative team since then has wished it never happened, but just sort of rolled with it, because getting rid of it was not easy. They didn't all try to get rid of the marriage, but you would be hard-pressed to find anyone who wrote Spider man that wouldn't have rather written the pre-marriage version of the character. And regardless of what Erik Larsen is apparently saying on newsarama, I have spoken to all the Spiderman writers of BND, and they are all completely thrilled about what they have to work with now.
>
> The thing is, after years and years of the marriage, changing it is just a HUGE DEAL, and was never going to be a popular thing even if in the end we get a more "Spiderman" book out of it. Because it had years of continuity now, and getting rid of that in any way is going to anger fans.
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> Look at the Clone storyline, that was all started to get rid of the marriage somehow, but it was terrible, and it didn't stick.
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> It's not that a story about a married couple can't be interesting, it's that Peter Parker shouldn't be that guy. It takes him too far from the basic idea of what being Spiderman is about.
>
> A true Spiderman story, to me, is Peter and MJ about to get married, and him having to leave her at the alter because of some Spiderman thing, and it being a huge tragedy that being Spidey cost him his chance at a happy married life. That's the burden of being Spiderman, and since the marriage happened, it's been one thing after another removing the burden and responsibility from Spiderman.
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> I'm personally really excited about the new stuff, but then I've been very vocal in the past about not liking the marriage because as a life-long Spiderman reader up to that point, it just felt forced and wrong."

> Don't believe me? Well, according to Joe Quesada himself, Brubaker was one of the guys that was brought in as part of creating Spidey's new status quo:
>
> Quote:
>
> "Well, to be completely clear, the idea for "OMD" WAS ACTUALLY CREATED BY A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE. From the very first day I was in the EIC chair, I made no secret of the fact that I felt that a married Peter Parker wasn't the best thing for an ongoing Spider-Man universe. The problem was that we never had a decent methodology to get ourselves out of it. I always said that if we ever found a way to do it, I would pursue the avenues to get us there.
>
> Close to two years ago at one of our creative summits, the seeds of that idea began to blossom. Those ideas were then taken and a two week long e-mail chain began where we started to throw around ideas until we got the story kind of where we wanted it to be. The guys involved in all of this from the beginning were Joe, Bendis, Millar, Loeb, Tom Brevoort, Axel Alonso and myself. It then all carried over to the next summit, at which ED BRUBAKER and Dan Slott also had some stuff to add."
>
> http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=12673
>
> How much Brubaker contributed is a question, but the fact that he DID make contributions shows that he has a vested interest in seeing Brand New Day succeed, since it appears he helped to bring it about. So of course, he's going to justify the decision to break up the marriage in order to make the new status quo work because he was a part of it. His comment of "I don't care how they get there" is, in that regard, disingenuous because he knew from the beginning how they were getting there.

Brubaker's involvement doesn't negate the validity of anything he's saying. Other creators such as Kurt Busiek (who far as I know, had nothing to do with this story) have made some of the same arguments Brubaker's made here.

Also, I'll remind you that Dan Slott has said the following in his interview at Newsrama:

"If I've got the timeline right, the changes were made at the creative summit before my first summit. That's when there was a vote for whether or not Gwen was coming back with Harry. Then, at my first summit, the changes were talked about as something that was already a done deal. So I had a little advance notice that this was happening before the other BND writers."

When taken with what you've quoted above, Brubaker arrived into this at the same time as Dan Slott. Which means OMD had already been committed to, which means Brubaker's contributions, whatever they were, would have likely had to do with what would come after OMD.

-QRG







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