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Dave Phelps

In Reply To
Blargh

Subj: Re: Unlikely
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 10:43:10 am EST
Reply Subj: Re: Unlikely
Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 at 09:35:12 am EST

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> I think the "silent majority" was thrilled to be able to get Wolverine and Spider-Man in the same book. More efficient that way. ;\) Also, the book has had incentive variants or been involved in one event or another since it started so there's no way to what the "true fanbase" of the book is.

The book has been involved in a total of one event (Civil War) though the team and characters have appeared in others and the book will be in Secret Invasion.

I haven't noticed an overt amount of variants. There was the first arc that had variants of each member by itself + a beautiful team variant, and then second printing ones on Civil War. No more, no less than any other new, hit title.

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> That said, Avengers has been a top 20/30 book for decades, no matter how popular or unpopular the creative team has been. Some folks just like their team books and don't care what the "critics" think.

If anything, the critics agree with the buyers. It's The Internet opinion that doesn't. And being a top 30 book is nothing to brag about. I think Cable/Deadpool is a top 30 book, and they go out at about 40,000 copies sold. For a team as important as Avengers, and titles such as Cap and IRon Man, to the MU, they should also be top sellers, and the current creative teams are doing that quite well than in the recent (5-7 years ago) past.

> > I think the "silent majority" was thrilled to be able to get Wolverine and Spider-Man in the same book. More efficient that way. ;\)

By the way, I just wanted to mention that I think this is a key selling point for the non-Interneters.

> > Also, the book has had incentive variants or been involved in one event or another since it started so there's no way to what the "true fanbase" of the book is.
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> The book has been involved in a total of one event (Civil War) though the team and characters have appeared in others and the book will be in Secret Invasion.

#16-20 dealt with the aftermath of House of M, #21-25 was Civil War, #26-31 (or thereabouts) was "the Initiative" (took awhile for folks to realize that wasn't necessarily an event, but the banner on the cover appeared to help bump up sales on books) and since then they've been gearing up for Secret Invasion.

> I haven't noticed an overt amount of variants. There was the first arc that had variants of each member by itself + a beautiful team variant, and then second printing ones on Civil War. No more, no less than any other new, hit title.

I know for a fact they had incentive variants on #7-10, cause I bought 'em. \:\) I'm not sure about since then.

(And I think any book, whether I like it or not, that uses variants is attempting to inflate their numbers so we don't get a feel for what the true readership really is.)

> > That said, Avengers has been a top 20/30 book for decades, no matter how popular or unpopular the creative team has been. Some folks just like their team books and don't care what the "critics" think.
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> If anything, the critics agree with the buyers.

Since when? I almost never see a positive review of Avengers. Unless you mean the buyers who pick the book up even though they hate it, in which case, sure, okay. ;\)

> It's The Internet opinion that doesn't. And being a top 30 book is nothing to brag about.

Top 30 has expanded a bit in recent years, thanks to stuff like Countdown, various event books, etc. In terms of regular ongoings, I don't think Avengers has dipped below top 20 in a long time, if ever.

> For a team as important as Avengers, and titles such as Cap and IRon Man, to the MU, they should also be top sellers, and the current creative teams are doing that quite well than in the recent (5-7 years ago) past.

Sure. I just think there's more to it than everyone loving the book except for a handful of cranky Internet people. I'm sure it would still sell perfectly well without the gimmicks, but we have no real indication either way.


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