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Michael

In Reply To
Pengi

Subj: Re: Where did the symbiote come from?
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 06:45:08 pm EDT
Reply Subj: Re: Where did the symbiote come from?
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 at 05:12:20 pm EDT (Viewed 86 times)



> We didn't even get to see Eddie before he was Venom, but from his back story he clearly had a screw loose. Again, in the podcast David Michelinie said that Brock was a psychopath.
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Yeah. "You beat up a serial killer who was trying to kill your ex-girlfriend and turned him over to the police. Therefore, it's your fault my life was ruined." Brock was blaming Peter for his own incompetence, even before he bonded with the symbiote, like Doom's thinking that Reed destroyed his face.
> > I think the thing that really solidifies the symbiotes as being bad dudes, was Ben during his stint as Spider-Carnage. If you recall he had to really fight against the symbiote to stop himself really hurting people. Now arguably you could say that it was all Kassidy's influence, which carried over to Ben in the symbiote... but then when you consider how much worse Kassidy got when he bonded with the symbiote....
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> Cletus was already a monster. He just got really ill when the symbiote left him for Ben.
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> > Certainly there is evidence to suggest that symbiotes while not evil, do have an effect on their host, in increasing what is already there.
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> > Certainly again, citing Toxin as an example, the Cop, Frank I think his name was... had to increasingly reign in Toxin, because Toxin's own aggressive urges were becoming prominent.
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> Right, but this is all years after the fact. What was the first comic book to actually portray the symbiotes as evil/aggressive? Where did it come from? It certainly wasn't in the original black costume, Venom or Carnage stories. Even the Life Foundation symbiotes in the Venom: Lethal Protector mini-series didn't make their hosts evil as far as I can recall (though I'm sure they went down that road later).
I think that we need to distinguish between the symbiotes being "evil" and the symbiotes making their hosts more aggressive. In the original black costume storyline, the symbiote was the moral equivalent of a rapist. However, the idea that the symbiotes make their hosts more aggresive didn't come up until the Spider-Carnage story. I think that part of the problem was that writers remembered that in the original black costume story the symbiote needed adrenaline and equated adrenaline with evil/aggresion.
Michael


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