Dave Galanter
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Subj: Re: One possible theory...
Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 12:29:53 pm EDT
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 at 10:39:49 am EDT (Viewed 125 times)

> > I was having a conversation with my sister, a non-comic reader, and we got on this topic. She asked who killed Gwen and I couldn't give a good answer. I'm not asking about legal culpability, but do you think Spider-Man killed Gwen when he snagged her with his web, or had the Green Goblin already killed her?
> This really is my own thoughts on the Death of Gwen. Firstly, knowing that the Green Goblin was as psychotic as he was... but at the same time a master planner and a genius... I seriously doubt somebody like Norman Osborn would take any chances.
> His goal was to hurt Peter, to make him suffer... and to feel like his world was caving in round him. What better way to do that than to kill the woman who he idolised?
> Now the most accepted theory is that Spider-Man snagging her with his web after GG threw her off the bridge, caused her to break her neck and she died. Unlike the Hulk, there is no way a mere mortal can come back from that.
> I've not seen the issue where Gwen is thrown off the bridge for a while now... so I may be wrong.
> My point... I believe Gwen Stacy was already dead before he even chucked her off the bridge. So if in the event Spider-Man could mount a life saving effort, it would all be for nought... Reason I think this, throught the fall and the events, Gwen was mysteriously quiet... No scream when the GG chucked her over the side of the bridge?
> As it stands, it turned out better than the GG could ever have hoped for! Peter snagged her with a web, but she was dead when he hauled her up, so he is left wondering if his effort to save her killed her.
> In reality, Norman is Gwen's killer. No question about it. Had she hit the water she would have been dead, even though it was water, the speed she would have fell, she wouldn't have stood a chance. Spider-Man did the only thing he could do at the time to try and save her. So Goblin is the killer, no doubt.
> As I say... I suspect she was already dead before Spidey even caught her.
> But if you want to put it in real world context. Lets say you see a guy deliberately shove another guy off a cliff then run away. You run over and see the other guy hanging on to a branch. You reach down, try to pull the guy up, but he slips and falls to his death. Are you the guy's killer? Or was it the one who did the shoving?
There was a lot of debate about this. In ASM 500 and 512, Gwen seems conscious, while in every other flashback she was unconscious. Some people argued that Peter changed history during his trip through time in ASM 500. If she was conscious, she could have died of a heart attack.
In any case, it's possible that Gwen died from the collision with Norman's glider. It would depend on several factors- how fast Norman was going, the angle at which he hit into her, any pre-existing medical conditions,etc.

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