Dave Galanter
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Dave Phelps

Subj: Re: Spider-Man Revisited 35: Fabian Nicieza
Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 at 11:38:51 am EDT (Viewed 87 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Spider-Man Revisited 35: Fabian Nicieza
Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 at 08:49:24 pm EDT (Viewed 4 times)



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    Read both, but don't remember either... Hmm...


The C&DP issue wasn’t particularly memorable anyway.

It did have the first Ken Ellis appearance I’ve seen since the 90s though. That ought to please his fans. Both of them.


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      What happened to the guy who was giving second (and third and sometimes fourth) chances to people like Black Cat, the Prowler, Rocket Racer, Puma, and Sandman?



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    Well, he WAS burned by Sandman. (Not like he knows about the Wizard's involvement.)


That always bugged me. I can sort of understand Spidey feeling he’d been tricked but surely the Thing must have noticed that the Sandman’s personality changed completely overnight.


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    Plus the other Thunderbolts had just tried to take over the world or something over in Avengers/Thunderbolts, right?


Kinda. Zemo made a grand speech at the end of Thunderbolts #75 about saving the world by taking it over but – when we see them again in that mini – they’re mostly concerned with toppling/blackmailing third-world dictators and super villains. Then Cobalt Man … well that’s something I don’t want to spoil.

Abe sided with the Avengers during that fight anyway.


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    Prowler and Rocket Racer were one time threats (maybe two-three for Rocket Racer), as opposed to hardened criminals.


I think the Prowler is particularly significant to Spidey’s belief in second chances. The last time he intentionally let a thief escape the guy killed his uncle. Here Peter sees a lot of himself in Brown, decides to take a chance on the guy, and is rewarded with a lifelong ally (occasional Stacy-related hiccups aside). If not for the Prowler I don’t think Peter’d be taking chances on any of these people (well, probably the Black Cat but that’s more because there are some Spider-Man writers that wish they were writing Batman).

Rocket Racer is a weird one to me simply because the writers can’t seem to agree on with side he’s on but Spidey seems to have decided he’s a decent guy regardless (see the “Great Game” style story from Zeb Wells’ Peter Parker fill-in). I did like what Fred Van Lente did with him in MODOK’s 11 though. He’s like a textbook case of an “Art of War” spy? Who’s going to suspect a loser like the RR?


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    As for the Cat... I suspect "little Peter" had some say in that one. ;\-\)


Yeah, and he lets the Black Fox go because he reminds him of Uncle Ben (which doesn’t really say much for Ben Parker). The point is that Peter tends to be a bit of a softy so any “I’m watching you” tough talk to Abe rings false to me.


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    Puma seems to fall under the Punisher loophole.


“The Punisher loophole” bugs the heck out of me. At least Fireheart has SOME redeeming qualities (though probably not enough to make Peter overlook that he kills people for money). Castle is just a serial killer.



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