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bstie1198

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Dave Phelps

Subj: Re: Spider-Man Revisited 38: Danny Fingeroth
Posted: Thu May 28, 2009 at 12:26:08 pm CDT (Viewed 6 times)
Reply Subj: Spider-Man Revisited 38: Danny Fingeroth
Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 at 03:49:04 pm CDT (Viewed 14 times)



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    Original opinion: I don’t have one. He was just one of those guys who had written some Spider-Man stories.


Danny's a strange one for me. I liked his editorial run following DeFalco (I thought it was a step down from Tom, but better than the Owsley era that followed). I liked a few of his stories (the Dominic Fortune story in Web, and Deadly Foes, but those might have just been for the Shocker) and hated others (Lethal Foes, and Doc Ock as a veggie). This is true not just with his Spider-Man work. For instance, he wrote all 50 issues of Darkhawk. I love the first 25 and dislike the second 25.


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    Web #4-5 (Arms and the Man)
    Dr. Octopus is not quite himself. The humiliation he went through in Spec #79 and seeing weird stuff in Secret Wars has had a bad effect on him. But his arms break him out of the sanitarium and he goes on a robbery spree, until he encounters Spider-Man and goes catatonic at the sight of him. Not one of his finest hours. I mean, when your weapons do better on autopilot… An interesting twist for one story, but I’m glad David Michelinie eventually fixed that.


I didn't really like this twist, since it stayed status quo for more than just this story (but apparently not for the Webspinners story by Defalco and Frenz which occurs during that timeframe).


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    Web #6 (Gold Rush)
    A Secret Wars II crossover. The Beyonder has turned Power Man and Iron Fist’s office building (and every non living thing in it) to gold. Not good for the people still in there… or the world’s economy if word gets out. Spider-Man goes in to save the people and the Kingpin shows up to help clean up the mess. In typical fashion, the Kingpin gets a payoff and Spider-Man gets shot at, so Spidey opts to snag a gold notebook he found in a trashcan. (Of course, he’d go on to agonize over this moment of selfishness for the next few months…)


Boy, do I hate Secret Wars II. I can't decide if I hate the golden notebook or the Puma vs Beyonder story more, but they are both bottom of the barrel for Spidey for me).


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    Web #10 (There, But for Fortune)
    An old enemy of Dominic Fortune hires the Shocker to kill him, and Spider-Man gets in the way. It’s fine.


Good stuff. I loves me some Shocker. I like Dom a lot, too.


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    (It’s also the kick off to a series of stories with Dominic trying to find out whatever happened to Sabbath Raven. The story would continue over to Iron Man #212-213 long enough for Dominic’s son to be killed and for Dominic to realize that Sabbath has a daughter who is frankly something of rhymes-with-witch. Then it’s back to Web in a bit.)


Need to pick up those Iron Man books sometime.


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    Web #11 (Have You Seen that Vigilante Man) (script by Bill Mantlo)
    Peter’s forced to take out some muggers without putting on the Spider-Man suit and ends up with some unwanted celebrity and getting his apartment firebombed. Some days it doesn’t pay to be a Samaritan. Featuring an interesting scene with Flash Thompson where Flash said the main reason he bullied Peter in high school was that Peter seemed to be too full of himself and Flash just wanted to take him down a peg. I can almost see that interpretation working for what happened after Peter became Spider-Man, but it doesn’t work for the pre-Spider-Man abuse. (BTW, Peter David wrote the conclusion so I’ll cover it when I get to him. (I.e., tomorrow.))


I took Flash's interpretation as just how see saw thing all along, not how things really went down. It's like they said in the letters column, no one likes to think of themselves as the villain.


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    Spec #125-126 (Wrecking Havoc)
    In addition to Dominic Fortune, Fingeroth also “adopted” the new Spider-Woman introduced in Secret Wars. He gave her a real name, daughter and background and, as of Iron Man #214 had her working for the government with a guy named Clemson as her contact. Clemson hated, for reasons to be addressed in the Spider-Woman mini-series that Fingeroth was planning on doing. Nothing ever came of it and Roy Thomas ended up taking care of all of that in Avengers West Coast and his Spider-Woman mini-series. Anyway, Spider-Woman’s first assignment for Clem has her running up against the Wrecking Crew, with Spider-Man in the mix because Peter Parker was sent to dig up dirt on Spider-Woman for Jonah Jameson. Lots of fighting, and we see the softer side of the Wrecker when his mother dies.


I read these in the past week, but have no opinion on them either way. Completely generic...


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    Web Ann #3 (w/ Roger Stern)
    Profiles of the world of Peter Parker, circa 1987. Then Roger Stern provided us with a Gallery of Spider-Man's Forgotten Foes (i.e., a bunch of 70s characters, mostly from Marvel Team-Up, for those dying for a pin-up of Drom, the Backwards Man). Sure, it's a bunch of back-up features combined into one special, but sometimes it's useful to have all of that stuff in one place.


I like when they revive the old pin up and summary format, but I thought that an entire issue of it was too much. It works better as back of the annual filler than it does as a whole issue. At least it's better than reprints, I guess.


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    Deadly Foes of Spider-Man
    Originally intended for Marvel Comics Presents (9 chapters I think), but then someone decided they’d more money off of it by adding some new pages and making it a 4 issue mini. Showing different sides of the Sinister Syndicate (Beetle, Rhino, Speed Demon, Hydro Man and Boomerang), with the Shocker, Kingpin and a woman named Leila Davis tossed in for good measure. A betrayal here… a secret agenda there… pretty decent actually. (Although this time around I spent a little too much time figuring out what was originally in the serial, and what was added post-decision to make it a mini.) And Leila out to kill Beetle because of what he did to her husband (the Ringer) was interesting.


I didn't know this was going to be in MCP. I liked this mini a lot, especially the Shocker stuff. It's always neat to see how villains get by in the MU.


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    Lethal Foes of Spider-Man
    The sequel to Deadly Foes, but not nearly as good, unfortunately. The basic idea is the same – various villains try to do their thing and Spider-Man gets in the middle of it all, but it quickly devolved into a random set of punch ‘em ups revolving around a “nuclear blaster.” I kinda liked the Answer in the Milgrom Spec run so it was nice to see him again, at least. And the Ringer returns from the dead sporting a “90s cybernetic makeover.” I don’t know what he was thinking there…


Yeah, this is... not good.


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    Friends and Enemies
    The “Spider-Man of the 90s” (Darkhawk) teams up with the “Spider-Man of the 80s” (Speedball), the Spider-Man of the 70s” (Nova), and the “Spider-Man of the 60s” (ummm… Spider-Man) against a new team of teenage superbeings, the Metahumes, who were empowered by some crystals Darkhawk misplaced in his own book. I think the basic idea was to show how young people could go either way depending on the influences in their life, but the idea was never properly developed. Instead it all turned into random fights with a big fight with some crystal monster thingee at the end.


Yeah, this was just another nonsensical early 90's limited series. I wonder how much blame creators should take for these, as I'm sure that there were a lot of outside pressures from marketing, etc to put out as much volume as the market could bear (and then some).


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    In summary… he was okay. The Web and Deadly Foes stuff was fairly decent. As to the rest, I’m sure he meant well.


That sounds like a good summary to me, too.