Dave Galanter
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Subj: Re: Was Peter Always Immature?
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 at 11:25:07 am CDT (Viewed 22 times)
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There's been a lot of comments lately about Slott writing Peter as immature, which is why this review of Web of Spider-Man 55 raised some interesting questions for me:
"Joy Mercado stops Peter and asks him to talk to Glory, who they both know has been having a relationship with Eduardo Lobo. So Peter goes to talk to Glory, and in the best of all possible openings, Glory tells Peter without prompting that she's been dating a criminal and wants his advice. And Peter just... i mean, WTF, Peter? What's going on here?"
"He's late to meet Mary Jane at the latest dump of an apartment they are considering renting, but that's at least partially just an excuse for Peter being (in his own words) "lame" and "cliched". I guess he's at least got this insight: "When it comes to personal problems, I'm no better handling someone else's than I am at handling my own." I've seen him do better than this, but i guess if this is deliberate characterization it's a little better. One of the criticisms of Spider-Man being allowed to get older is that they still write him like the kid with all the hang-ups from the early years, and now that he's married and has a job, he just looks like basketcase instead of a mixed up kid. I guess this is a good example of that."
Now, if Slott had written this, we'd be up in arms. So was Peter portrayed immaturely even before Slott?

You're quoting from an obviously biased reading of Web 55 by someone who wants to prop up Slott's current characterization.

I didn't see anything immature about Peter's actions in Web 55. If anything, it's a sign of maturity to be self-aware and recognize when you are acting in a less than optimum manner.

To quote from the actual text: "This is exactly what I want to talk to Glory about, but now that I'm here...she's so despairing I don't know what to say." In other words, Peter is being empathetic - a sign of being an emotional grown up - and doesn't want to cause his friend more pain and anguish.

In addition, and I know from experience, most men aren't exactly comfortable around women crying over their relationships. I can just see the criticism now if Peter stayed to have a heart-to-heart with Glory: "He's a wuss! He's not manly enough!" Besides, Peter's advice - on the face of it - isn't terrible. Glory is a good person, she knows Eduardo is a criminal so Peter isn't neglecting his duty to warn her, and there's no reason for Peter not to trust that Glory will do the right thing. The fact that she doesn't is what makes this a story - and one with some emotional heft, unlike 99% of Slott's output.

And when people are saying Peter is acting immature in Slott: it's not because he's beating himself up over not giving a friend comfort. Slott's Peter doesn't even realize WHEN to beat himself up. Slott's Peter is selfish and out for yuks and rarely, if ever, stops to think about the consequences of his actions on others - just like a child, who has yet to learn that the world doesn't revolve solely around his/her wants and desires.

In Web 55, Peter is emotionally mature - he is aware of others' feelings. And he scolds himself for not acting better. But being mature doesn't mean being perfect and never, ever making a mistake. Being an adult means you have the maturity to recognize WHEN you made a mistake. This is as far from being a basketcase as possible.

Slott's Peter, on the other hand, is a perpetual prepubescent emotionally (with the hormones of a teenager, but not going there). Even though Slott himself has pegged Peter as 28 years old - 13 years since the spider-bite at 15. So really, no matter how "relatable" Marvel wants Spider-Man to be to younger readers, his current behavior is starting to look ridiculous.

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