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Grey Gargoyle

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Subj: Jumping the shark ...
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 at 06:29:48 am EST (Viewed 207 times)
Reply Subj: Re: More examples on the Day of the Dead
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 at 08:32:31 am EST (Viewed 5 times)

    Many fans on this board seem to talk fondly of Ock's Clone Saga era death and his resurrection story. Osborn has come and gone

I will speak only for myself, of course, but I hated the death of Doc Ock at the beginning of the (in)famous Clone Saga of the 1990s and I hated the 'resurrection' of Osborn at the end.

Of course, it was a long time ago and we are talking about fictional characters ... So, well, many things happened in my real life and I don't care much about it, nowadays.
I still remember my old feelings about it.

Both the death of Ock and the 'resurrection' of Osborn : that's truly when the comic book started to jump the shark in a big way.
Curiously enough, many fans didn't realize it, back then.
I was one of the few to have noticed it and the future proved me right.

That's how I stopped reading ASM on a regular basis (before that, I was a collector).

I really disliked both how Ock died and how he came back. Octavius was a classic Silver Age villain and I thought that he never should have died like this. Curiously enough, except the ending, Web of Death is an excellent storyline (by two of the great writers of the time : JM Dematteis and TomD).
His resurrection by a splinter group of the Hand (the "True Believers") was as ludicrous as his death.

About Osborn, I still think that his convoluted return has been a big mistake. It was only done to 'clean the mess' of the Clone Saga.
Back then, most fans were angry with the Clone Saga and Marvel gave them the return of Osborn as some kind of compensation.

Curiously enough, Marvel editors didn't understand what was totally obvious : Ock & Osborn are the two longtime nemesis of Spider-Man but they are different.
The curse of the Goblin legacy, not the first Green Goblin, is the true archenemy of Spider-Man.
Harry Osborn and Hobgoblin 1 have provided more interesting stories than Norman Osborn has since his return.
Ock is the true 'Dark Mirror' of Spider-Man, he is Peter Parker without a moral compass.
If there is no Ock, there is no Peter Parker (and that's what happened during the Clone Saga, Peter & Octavius were replaced by Ben & Kaine).

I still believe,in 2014, that the death of Ock and the return of Osborn were the first two big mistakes which changed Spider-Man forever.
Since then, every subsequent 'bad stories' have been variants of these two mistakes.

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