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Unstable Molecule

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D. Strange

Member Since: Tue Sep 19, 2017
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Subj: Re: Complicated...
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 02:07:35 pm EST (Viewed 182 times)
Reply Subj: Complicated...
Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 at 07:30:13 am EST (Viewed 197 times)



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    I have decided to finish my Spider-Man run (up to OMD) by my next birthday in March. AS such, I have bought and re-bought comics from many different eras. Including the original Hobgoblin era.



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    It was a real look at how such a story should unfold. You could feel the Hobgoblin in issues he never was.



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    Most importantly, there were a few different possible goblins. And yes, Leeds and Kingsley were set up as possible Hobgoblins.



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    I think Leeds wasn't jarring, especially since Kingsley disappeared from the books towards the end.



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    Leeds needed to be up to something. He kept disappearing for something. At the time it made sense. In some ways he worked better.

I liked the eventual revelation that Leeds was mind-controlled to believe he was the Hobgoblin. But his casual, off-panel execution remains a waste of a great character. I blame Priest.


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    Then came Hobgoblin Lives. The twin thing was a bit hokey, but over all, I think it worked out.



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    So a draw... until Slott.



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    Two things I need to say first:



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    1. I like classic Hobgoblin more than Norman Osborn (and Harry more than his dad, for that matter)

Thank you. It's nice to know someone else feels the same as I do. Harry was a way better Goblin, and original Hobgoblin was more formidable than either of the Osborns.


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    2. I stopped reading Spider-man (minus returning writers I loved and alt. realities) until the 50th anniversary, and stayed until the end of Superior. Fortunately, this included a lot of Kingsley.



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    I did hear about what Hobgoblin was doing however, and gave a quick read through in someone's collection.



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    Slott writes Hobgoblin... wrong. His kingsley seemed almost like an 80s cartoon character. A cheap hood with a gimmick, then another gimmick, who just loved to fake his own death. His ego got in the way.



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    The Hobgoblin from back in the day, was cold and calculating. The whole point was that his ego wasn't involved, it was all business.



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    He was Kingpin, with powers, tech, ambition, and a cold detachment Fisk had lost under Miller (not complaining). Yes, I would say that fit Kingsley better.

Again, thank you. An effete, cold-blooded, calculating business tycoon goes third-world, guerrilla mercenary? No. Slott wrote Kingsley like he was Macendale, and it's one of his major failings, in my opinion. Also, handing out super-identities is more the Tinkerer's deal. Nothing in Kingsley's previous depictions could make me believe he would pivot this way.


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    In MY collection, and MY continuity... which ends just before the marriage does... I would say it doesn't matter. Leeds COULD have worked, in some way fit the part better since Kingsley was less memorable. Kingsley was a more logical choice.

In MY continuity, the Hobgoblin is Richard Fisk. It would have been a much better story than either Leeds or Kingsley. Again, I blame Priest.


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    I'd shrug. But post Slott, getting his hand on him? Leeds all day.







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