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Subj: Re: Complicated...
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 02:07:35 pm EST (Viewed 310 times)
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Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 at 07:30:13 am EST (Viewed 335 times)
Quote:I have decided to finish my Spider-Man run (up to OMD) by my next birthday in March. AS such, I have bought and re-bought comics from many different eras. Including the original Hobgoblin era.
Quote:It was a real look at how such a story should unfold. You could feel the Hobgoblin in issues he never was.
Quote:Most importantly, there were a few different possible goblins. And yes, Leeds and Kingsley were set up as possible Hobgoblins.
Quote:I think Leeds wasn't jarring, especially since Kingsley disappeared from the books towards the end.
Quote:Leeds needed to be up to something. He kept disappearing for something. At the time it made sense. In some ways he worked better.
I liked the eventual revelation that Leeds was mind-controlled to believe he was the Hobgoblin. But his casual, off-panel execution remains a waste of a great character. I blame Priest.
Quote:Then came Hobgoblin Lives. The twin thing was a bit hokey, but over all, I think it worked out.
Quote:So a draw... until Slott.
Quote:Two things I need to say first:
Quote:1. I like classic Hobgoblin more than Norman Osborn (and Harry more than his dad, for that matter)
Thank you. It's nice to know someone else feels the same as I do. Harry was a way better Goblin, and original Hobgoblin was more formidable than either of the Osborns.
Quote:2. I stopped reading Spider-man (minus returning writers I loved and alt. realities) until the 50th anniversary, and stayed until the end of Superior. Fortunately, this included a lot of Kingsley.
Quote:I did hear about what Hobgoblin was doing however, and gave a quick read through in someone's collection.
Quote:Slott writes Hobgoblin... wrong. His kingsley seemed almost like an 80s cartoon character. A cheap hood with a gimmick, then another gimmick, who just loved to fake his own death. His ego got in the way.
Quote:The Hobgoblin from back in the day, was cold and calculating. The whole point was that his ego wasn't involved, it was all business.
Quote:He was Kingpin, with powers, tech, ambition, and a cold detachment Fisk had lost under Miller (not complaining). Yes, I would say that fit Kingsley better.
Again, thank you. An effete, cold-blooded, calculating business tycoon goes third-world, guerrilla mercenary? No. Slott wrote Kingsley like he was Macendale, and it's one of his major failings, in my opinion. Also, handing out super-identities is more the Tinkerer's deal. Nothing in Kingsley's previous depictions could make me believe he would pivot this way.
Quote:In MY collection, and MY continuity... which ends just before the marriage does... I would say it doesn't matter. Leeds COULD have worked, in some way fit the part better since Kingsley was less memorable. Kingsley was a more logical choice.
In MY continuity, the Hobgoblin is Richard Fisk. It would have been a much better story than either Leeds or Kingsley. Again, I blame Priest.
Quote:I'd shrug. But post Slott, getting his hand on him? Leeds all day.
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