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Subj: Re: Did Ned Leeds Make A Good Hobgoblin, Or Was Kingsley Better?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 02:51:09 pm EST (Viewed 394 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Did Ned Leeds Make A Good Hobgoblin, Or Was Kingsley Better?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 07:23:14 am EST (Viewed 392 times)

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While Stern has stated that Kingsley was always intended to be the Hobgoblin and that Marvel shoehorned Ned in, after the fact. I found that Hobgoblin Lives, despite solid writing and beautiful artwork, was a huge disappointment. Whether it was the fact that I couldn't even remember Kingsley as a supporting character or that the damage had been done with Ned having been exposed and accepted... or both, I would have been more accepting, had they left it the way that it was, or had the reveal been someone else. Kingsley was a huge disappointment for me.


I love and I hate Hobgoblin Lives. I love it because I hated the reveal that Ned was the Hobgoblin, and Hobgoblin Lives finally fixed that.

When I read ASM #289 it felt to me like the writers never had a clue who was behind the mask and didn't want to write about it anymore, so they revealed it was Ned and killed him just to make a problem go away. And many years later when PAD and DeFalco and Priest started blogging about it, my suspicions turned out to be right.

And not for nothing, but any story that makes you think of the writers takes you right out of the story. Creator ego should never shine through in their work, and it's the reason I eventually turned against people like Priest, Byrne, and (of course) Joe Queseda.

Why did I hate Hobgoblin Lives? Because Kingsley was such a disappointing choice. Almost any of the major suspects would have been better (except Flash). Donald Menken would have been a fun choice - a businessman with strong ties to the Osborn legacy. Roger Hochsburg had personal ties to Peter (although not very strong ones). The Foreigner would have been a great fit for most of the clues that we had prior to Leed's death. Even Lance Bannon would have been a fit.

One thing that never made sense to me is why Georgie would have gone to Kingsley when he discovered the Goblin's Lair in the first place. "Hey Calvin Klein, look - I discovered a super-villain's lair!" It only made sense if Kingsley and Georgie were sleeping together or something - but they never really declared Kingsley as openly gay. Also, Kingsley would not have had the scientific knowledge (or access to scientific resources) to modify the Goblin formula. That alone should have ruled out Bannon, Leeds, Thompson and Kingsley.

Of course in a perfect world, Hobgoblin would have been Richard Fisk, Kingsley would have been the Rose, and Macendale would still be Jack-o-Lantern. But Fisk was dead by the time Hobgoblin Lives came out, and had already been revealed to be the Rose.

"It is not our abilities that show what we truly are. It is our choices." – Albus Dumbledore