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Subj: The folly of youth...
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 at 06:42:48 am EST (Viewed 222 times)
Reply Subj: Thor's steady transition from Odin-worship to Odin-disdain
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 at 12:19:25 pm EST (Viewed 396 times)
Quote:In the old days, Thor worshiped Odin like a god, not just as a father. The God of gods. Odin was deemed to be All-Wise, All-Knowing and Justice Incarnate. These days, the faith is largely absent. This is not because of Aaron. Thor's love for Odin has been on the decline for years, maybe even decades.
I think its more a question of having some conflict or friction (between characters - which makes for a better story).
Thor always loved his father, but there was always friction between the two over:
- Thor's responsibilities to Asgard vs. his responsibilities to Earth...which was usually a sort of contrived plot device that needed something like the Odin-sleep to make sense because Odin should always be able to look after Asgard.
- Thor's love for mortals (in particular Jane)...Odin likely protecting his son from the pain of watching Jane grow old and die.
Quote:First came Blood and Thunder. Thor went mad; the result of Odin having tampered with Thor's spirit. They've had their spats over the years, but this was first strong crack in their relationship. Then came the Godpack era, when Thor was effectively ex-communicated from Asgard and Red Norvell was resurrected to replace him (as Odin's true son). This probably set the course of their continued relationship. No longer was Odin the equivalent of God, he was merely a spiteful father running his own agenda.
Odin had sort of done stuff like this in the past:
- He halved Thor's strength to teach him a lesson when he fought Hercules
- He had banished Thor from Asgard in the past too
- He fought against Thor when he allied with the Eternals
So these things had happened before, of course in the past ultimately Thor had always loved and respected his father.
Quote:This continued over into the death of Eric Masterson, which Thor blamed on Odin. Then Worldengine occurred, and Onslaught, and the Dark Gods in the aftermath of Worldengine and Seth.
Quote:Odin was again the All-Father with the restoration under Jurgens. But did their relationship ever fully heal?
Quote:Post-Ragnarok, with the resurrection of Odin under Fraction, their relationship seemed to be back at Godpack-era levels of animosity.
What Fraction seemed to do was bring back the rash, impetuous and barbaric version of Thor. Basically the rebellious 'Young Thor' of Aaron's Three Thors storyline.
This Thor had little or no respect for his father meaning that when any friction occurs their conflict is far more bitter.
Quote:Thor said during their fight in FEAR ITSELF, 'This is not the Asgard of old. You hold not the sway you once had.'
Quote:With the revelation of Cul, and Odin's later alliance with Cul, I think its safe to say that Thor is pretty deep into his disdain for Odin. It's baked into their relationship at this point.
Certainly Fraction and Aaron have not depicted male authority figures in a positive light which in their minds presumably justifies any subsequent disrespecting of them.
Aaron in particular has portrayed Odin as a mass murderer whereas before he was an honourable warrior-king who would imprison defeated foes rather than execute his enemies.
You address Omnipotence...tread carefully.
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