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Norvell

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Subj: I attribute it to changing social attitudes along with problems with Odin since the beginning.
Posted: Fri Dec 15, 2017 at 11:54:16 pm EST (Viewed 168 times)
Reply Subj: Thor's steady transition from Odin-worship to Odin-disdain
Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2017 at 12:19:25 pm EST (Viewed 375 times)

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In the old days, Thor worshiped Odin like a god, not just as a father. The God of gods. Odin was deemed to be All-Wise, All-Knowing and Justice Incarnate. These days, the faith is largely absent. This is not because of Aaron. Thor's love for Odin has been on the decline for years, maybe even decades.

First came Blood and Thunder. Thor went mad; the result of Odin having tampered with Thor's spirit. They've had their spats over the years, but this was first strong crack in their relationship. Then came the Godpack era, when Thor was effectively ex-communicated from Asgard and Red Norvell was resurrected to replace him (as Odin's true son). This probably set the course of their continued relationship. No longer was Odin the equivalent of God, he was merely a spiteful father running his own agenda.

This continued over into the death of Eric Masterson, which Thor blamed on Odin. Then Worldengine occurred, and Onslaught, and the Dark Gods in the aftermath of Worldengine and Seth.

Odin was again the All-Father with the restoration under Jurgens. But did their relationship ever fully heal?

Post-Ragnarok, with the resurrection of Odin under Fraction, their relationship seemed to be back at Godpack-era levels of animosity.

Thor said during their fight in FEAR ITSELF, 'This is not the Asgard of old. You hold not the sway you once had.'

With the revelation of Cul, and Odin's later alliance with Cul, I think its safe to say that Thor is pretty deep into his disdain for Odin. It's baked into their relationship at this point.

I think part of it is changing social attitudes. Society used to have a greater trust/respect for authority, be more religious and possibly even less judgmental. People could accept a darkness or complexity in characters I am not sure they can accept now days. Now, you have to be in one category or the other.

The other problem is Odin. Let's face it. He has always had a very unpleasant side. At times, he acts more like an ill-tempered child than a wise god-king. Often, someone has to go through ten levels of a-hole just to get him to listen to tell him something important. His plans often have collateral damage that he has little regret for. Too much of any of this and a reader can lose sympathy.

Why should Thor respect someone like that?
I think another problem is the softer moments are few and far between. It has become rare for Odin to show his softer or wiser side.

For comparison look at Zeus. Used to he was portrayed as a more balanced figure. I can't think of an instance in the last decade or so he was portrayed as anything other than a caricature. At least, without turning him into an expy of the Jude-Christian God.


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