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Subj: Re: About The Molecule Man Thing.
Posted: Wed Dec 20, 2017 at 04:51:47 pm EST (Viewed 232 times)
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    The current race showed up at the end of Hickman's Avengers run. The first beyonder initially was a unique entity. When he was made into a cube being there were several sentient cosmic cube beings running around at the same time. The Shaper of Worlds and Kubik come to mind.

You are correct, the Beyonders never showed themselves, but they were referenced to back in the 1980s. Their existence drove the High Evolutionary nearly insane.

It was sort of speculated during the Kubik/Kosmos tours that the Celestials were actually the Beyonders, or perhaps originated from the same place. This was when the Celestials were considered fantastically more powerful than they later turned out to be. Back when the One Above All, the Celestial, was thought to be the Living Tribunal's boss.

I do not recall them being a race at that point. I may be mistaken but the original Beyonder made a point that he was lonely. I may not be remember SW2 well enough. I know the example you are pointing out but just from what I generally remember the Beyonder initially was saying that he was a reality to himself. He found this other place.

Not disagreeing that there were references, just from the first SWs I seem to remember that he was unique. In SW2 I remember similar comments, but I do not remember it anywhere near as well.

The Celestials were pretty hot in that period for sure. But if one goes from the SW2 (ignoring the Michael Jackson look) all the cosmic entities were begging MM for help. So at that point even the abstract entities and the Living Tribunal were begging MM for help.

With the tour in question that you reference it seemed to set things more into the standard method. Cubes were below Celestials, but were also below other beings.

Although that starts to get into one of my rants or areas of confusion. Seems to me that any reality warping thing is already contending with Eternity directly. Being that he is reality. So a high scale one is by definition defeating Eternity and could be argued in some respects to be more powerful. A strange thought but one that is sort of a consequence of abstracts and reality warping.

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