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Subj: Re: It just doesn't bother me that much.
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 12:34:38 pm EDT (Viewed 97 times)
Reply Subj: It just doesn't bother me that much.
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 at 08:57:11 am EDT (Viewed 124 times)
I am going to preface some of this by simply saying what I have been. You liked it, good. I am glad you did and hope you continue to do so. No sarcasm. The point of the story is to find enjoyment. My goal is to try to relay to you why I did not.
Is it opinion...sure enough. So is everybody chatting right now. These are all opinions. Not sure what it adds to say that, but it has been said to me a few times. Not sure why it needs to be said.
I may not hit everything either because I am having issues with the quote system and am partly being lazy. If I do not summarize correctly, I apologize.
1. I do not have an issue with Galactus losing or even dying. It depends on how it is done.
This was not a battle. This was not a fight. This was Thor ignoring Galactus, stealing his power and then easily killing him. Then put the power back in and used him as a bomb. That is humiliation. Begging is not required nor anything else.
If two teams play a sport and are generally equal but one suddenly blows out the other a season than the team is humiliated. Period.
When Hulk beat Thor with his own hammer, it was humiliating.
It does not require anything more than that.
2. I am not upset with a character losing. I do not like humiliating a character. Ignoring the other characters blows, stealing their power and then killing them is pretty bad humiliation.
3. I suppose it is relative to power level but I will do you one better. I do not think Cates really cares or even regards things in the way you are trying to explain.
If you read Thanos wins than we get an explanation that Thanos has gained in power over the years and that is it. Thanos kills KT, Galactus and all the god like beings easily. Then he gets threatened by Silver Surfer with Mjolnir.
It is a cool visual but we saw the source of the PC and Thor with the OP and Mjolnir go down earlier in the story.
It seems to me you are trying to debate this more because you think it was a cool moment more than anything.
4. I think you missed my point about Odin. Given what we have seen to this point of Galactus vs Odin powered beings. It is generally been close, even if not great fights. The one Aaron wrote may have been the best of them...
Never near this one sided. Not close. If it was that easy for Odin, sure seems like he would have done it.
5. The PC is sort of moot as it fits into Thor's landscape right? I mean you are bringing it up that Thor + OP + PC is more than the sum of its parts. Remember, the comic mostly showed that the PC did not matter much to Thor really. Galactus took it back and Thor took it right back. Even without it, he was depicted as much superior.
6. We had a revalation of Galactus now being the lacky of a greater power instead of being a power unto himself. That is a fairly major character shift. Add that to a very human depiction, and emotional one. He is not the only one to do that but generally Galactus is seen as grand and aloof. When he talks things listen, even beings like Odin. Even if they did not agree.
Cates is not obligated to do any of that, but they are major character shifts. Just like his depiction of Thor is more barbarian and in keeping with his desire to make him Superman, but an a$$. I disagreed with that as well.
Because of my own thoughts on who Thor is and what he should be, but a jerk is not one of them.
7. Bringing Thanos in as a big bad at the end of the gauntlet. Such an original reveal. Seems and feels pretty lazy.
I do not agree with many merits of the book, even early on I was not the biggest fan of the depictions for Thor or other characters let alone Galactus. Depictions were wrong. The story idea was not bad, but the build up through the story of necessary evil was ignored to get to a pretty black and white resolution. I am not sure what Shakespear you are reading either, I got none of that, not even with themes. It was pretty much do what you want and get your way in the end. Unless we are just regarding revenge and speech.
It is amusing that you go through all of this about degrading power levels and then point to a virtue as a space god getting beat up.
I most strongly disagree with your narrow interpurtation of what it takes to humiliate a character when I know folks here have screamed humiliation for far far less than what we saw here.
I am glad you enjoyed it and honestly am. But I think this might be it for me and Thor. I survived Aarons run. His initial God of Thunder was good, but then became a mess. The worst part being the depiction of the real Thor.
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