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Subj: Re: When Jean Grey Returns: A Road Map
Posted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 at 12:18:37 am CST (Viewed 20 times)
Reply Subj: Re: When Jean Grey Returns: A Road Map
Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 at 07:29:32 pm CST (Viewed 161 times)



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      this "road map" is not an endorsement of any story arc; simply what I believe will happen given the current editorial staff.



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    Problem there is you're assuming that even if they did plan stuff like this that far ahead that they'll still be around that far in the future to see this stuff pan out. Not likely on either count. I have no personal qualms with the current editorial staff, but it's foolhardy to assume they'll be there forever.


True. I should have wrote editorial "direction." A lot of my predictions are based on perceived popularity, sales potential and trends visible in comics writ-large. I would argue that these are editorial considerations that won't change with staff.


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      1) Emma Frost is now too popular a character to be sidelined by Jean. I would even dare to argue that Emma is a more popular character than Jean.



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    I used to consider myself a fan of Emma prior to her overexposure in the comics. But even in my days of being in her fanclub, I would still be honest enough to admit she'll never have the popularity Jean had/still has. Not only does Emma not have nearly the mainstream media exposure Jean has, there's also the nostalgia factor. It's a powerful thing.


Here's why I disagree: if you take the x-universe as a set of structures filled by characters, the x-universe has never been under girded by Jean Grey the way that Emma Frost does today. The editorial staff has taken a page from Wolverine's playbook retroactively linking her to many marvel heavy-hitters(Namor and Iron Man in specific.) Moreover, Emma has come to serve many roles and actions formerly filled by Magneto and Xavier. Arguably, she is a more pragmatic character that is more in line with modern readers and which characters like Xavier could never recreate for fear of being written "out of character."

Finally, as much as I'm loathed to write this, Emma is far more emancipated character than Jean was. Jean, pessimistically analyzed, reached her peak in a "good girl gone crazy b#*ch" storyline. Emma on the other hand, is an unapologetic, uncompromising woman. Unlike Jean, she's never been written to be afraid of her potential. These type of female characters, I believe, will stay and flourish in popular culture. And to be clear, I think there's more than enough room for both Jean and Emma. Emma Frost represents an "edgier" but necessary character that Jean would be hard pressed to emulate simply because of the "nostalgic factor."


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      2) Wolverine remains the most popular x-man.



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    I would agree with this. But his popularity doesn't have anything to do with the subject of his relationships with the opposite sex.


Two popular characters who have had previous romantic involvement and would be single, at the same time, for the first time. Honestly, when has Jean not been a part of "scott and jean?"


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      His relationship with Jean was expanded in film and I think it's logical to assume that they'll get together post her return. Didn't Morrison examine their relationship a little when they were in orbit or something?



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    He did, IIRC. BUT... Do not confuse sexual tension and good on-screen chemistry with the ability to maintain a long-term relationship, much less one that would involve a child.


I'm not saying anything long term. How do you define that in comic books? Everything that I am positing above could be accomplished in the same amount of time that Emma and Scott have been together.



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    I have no problem with hooking them up in the short term. But like Scott and Emma, it is not a pairing built to last. They are a coupling made for a steamy series of one-night-stands that will likely come to an end when Logan kills someone right in front of her, reminding Jean that he is a bloodthirsty animal that she will never be able to tame. He, in a fit of self-loathing, will push her away emotionally.


yeah i don't like wolverine either.


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    And the odds of him knocking her up are astronomically slim.



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      3)In marvel, characterization is power level.



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    No. Power level is a crutch relied on by Battle Board posters. Characterization is making a character interesting. Saying Jean and Logan's kid is an omega level mutant doesn't make it any more interesting than if it was a powerless and hairy ginger.


again, I'm not saying it's correct or particularly interesting. I am saying it's a trend. Consider how seminal Iceman's possession by Emma was to his character development. Even a large part of Jean's popularity is directly attributed to her power upgrade.


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      Emma's been boosted, Vulcan is here to stay. Elixir is in a major book.



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    All true. And none of that has anything to do with Jean and Logan having a kid being a good idea, regardless of if the kid has powers or not.


again, never said "good idea."


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      4)Kids are in. X-23, Stepford Cuckoos, and Daken.



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    Correction: Teens and young adults are in. Babies have *NEVER* been in. This is why anytime a baby is born in comics, 99% of the time, they do whatever they can to have the kid age past the newborn stage.


Would progeny have been a better word then?


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    And again, with X-23 and Daken running around, shoehorning in some third little brat is wasting space. Actually, a fourth kid considering there's another Logan jr. in the Savage Land. So how about they find something for his current family to do before introducing another?


Naw. At Marvel new is always better.



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