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Subj: Re: If Cyclops is a villain, SO IS JEAN GREY!
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 08:40:59 am EDT (Viewed 108 times)
Reply Subj: Re: If Cyclops is a villain, SO IS JEAN GREY!
Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:20:31 am EDT (Viewed 152 times)



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    I'm going to, once again, remind everyone of how back in the late Silver Age, the Sentinels captured virtually every single known mutant on the planet, and that was well under fifty people. If "ends justifies the means" extreme tactics were unacceptable then, and the X-Men stood up and fought against the Brotherhood and their ways, then it's unacceptable now.

    Here, in the real world, there are tribes and racial groups that really are hovering on the edge of being extinct within a few generations, because there aren't enough of them left, and nobody would argue that they should be allowed to run around killing their "enemies", or doing whatever else other things it may take to "re-start the race".

Why shouldn't any group be allowed to defend themselves from slaughter? That is what "killing their enemies" means. This enemy is actively trying to exterminate all of them and will not stop until they are exterminated. There are only two choices: give up and die or kill the enemy. There is no third option. I have to wonder the worth of a group that will choose the former. If you're going to do that, then here's a gun, now go sit in the corner and euthanize yourself... and try to be quiet about it.

Heck, the US just spent the last decade doing precisely that, and we weren't even close to extinction. Are such acts ideal? Heck no. In an ideal world there wouldn't be the need for them. But that place doesn't exist.


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    Basically, the X-Men stood against Magneto and his allies because their way of "saving their race" was unacceptable. And now things got a bit hard, so morality and heroism go out the window, and whatever it takes is suddenly OK, and as readers we're supposed to side with them as they take the route they once condemned? The modern-day X-books seem to have embraced the notion that Magneto was ALWAYS right, and Xavier was wrong all along, and that's a really weird and broken place for the franchise to be in.

Indeed, Old School Magneto wasn't just "saving his race." He wanted more than to just save his race. Xavier was the one fighting to simply "save the race."


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    As for the Schism, isn't it that the teenagers and children shouldn't HAVE to fight? They may not be able to stop them if they want to, because adult authority figures in comics are always inept and Just Don't Understand and are utterly incapable of controlling teenagers and keeping them in school, but they shouldn't HAVE to be fighting.

Exactly.


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    Also, Hope isn't "Cyclops' child". Of any of the X-Men, Cable is her adoptive father, and he wasn't even around in AvX to get a say on what should happen to her. Cyclops was forcing her towards a destiny she ultimately didn't even want.

Precisely, plus that destiny could have very well harmed Hope or killed her. Cyclops had every reason to think that it would, yet he wanted to throw her into the fire to save his precious race. That alone is practically as bad as killing.




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