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Superbluerockman

Subj: Re: If Cyclops is a villain, SO IS JEAN GREY!
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 02:26:17 pm EDT (Viewed 88 times)
Reply Subj: Re: If Cyclops is a villain, SO IS JEAN GREY!
Posted: Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 09:05:30 am EDT (Viewed 99 times)



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    1. Defending yourself requires that you strike back at a certain point. You can't simply keep defending yourself. If someone wants to kill you, you will be faced with a choice. I'm not saying you have to kill them, but just look to X-Force to prove my point. Fantomex is no longer with us. That Brotherhood is evil and wants the X-Men dead.

That's precisely what I was saying.


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    2. Magneto was reacting from a place of fear. His family was killed. Murdered for their religion. He was fighting to prevent that from happening again. Problem was he was misguided and thought being top dog was the way to do it. I don't think Scott feels that way. He just wanted to be left on Utopia. He became an isolationist.

There is nothing isolationist about Cyclops or Utopia. Their policy is to do things throughout the globe. That's the opposite of isolationist. Isolationist would be: leave us alone and we'll just sit here and twiddle our thumbs. That's not what Cyclops has been doing the entire time he's been on Utopia. He's been actively engaging the world on all levels, playing hero.


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    3. Again, in a perfect world, kids shouldn't have to fight, but when the fight comes to your front door, it's all hands on deck. Yes...they shouldn't have to, but sometimes...you have to. See "Goonies" "Home Alone" "E.T." for examples when kids have to step up. Or "The Patriot" or "Star Wars" (Luke was 16 i believe..or was it 18?). Just saying...sometimes kids are caught in a do or die. It's not pretty, but it's reality.

Regardless of where the fight is, each person chooses for themselves. Even if my home gets invaded by criminals, I can elect to do nothing about it. The entire argument of Schism was about forcing children to fight. No one should have that right. If they elect to, then fine. That's why Wolverine let the other kids stay on the island. They chose a different path.

And Luke was 19 in A New Hope. All of his friends of the same age were already at the academy and doing adult things, but he was stuck on the farm because his aunt and uncle couldn't afford otherwise. He wasn't really a kid. He was a grown man. And one could certainly argue that he was already doing adult things.


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    4. Cyclops did not know what the Phoenix coming meant. He knew he was better equipped to handle it than the Avengers...as proven by AvX...but the Avengers interference has robbed us of what might have happened. I do not believe Cyclops was going to "sacrifice" Hope. Again, we have no idea what his thoughts and plans were.

Cyclops knew precisely what the Phoenix was all about. No one has more experience with it than him. This is the guy who freaked out every time Jean showed an inkling of Phoenix, because he knew it would cost her soul or life. He simply had some crazygonuts faith that it would help and Hope could handle it, but he didn't give a damn about Hope's well-being. Even Emma tried to get him to see reason, before she too was corrupted by the Phoenix.




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