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Superbluerockman

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Subj: Re: If Cyclops is a villain, SO IS JEAN GREY!
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 03:22:35 pm CDT (Viewed 91 times)
Reply Subj: Re: If Cyclops is a villain, SO IS JEAN GREY!
Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 01:38:08 pm CDT (Viewed 86 times)

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    1. How is Cyclops risking the lives of innocents? If you are at war, and I do believe Cyclops believes he is at war, how do you defend yourself...especially on multiple fronts? At some point, you risk becoming General Custer...surrounded by the enemy and your forces (loved ones) are killed off. Slowly but surely, this was what was happening. Wanda's actions put Scott in that scenario. Again, I ask, when in this scenario, what do you do? Lie down and die or fight for your lives?

Well, for starters, he's risking the lives of 7 billion people on Earth for what amounts to an absolutely crazy and unfounded idea that Phoenix will restart mutants, which really have no right to continue. No group has that right.

Throughout the past several years, he has continually risked the lives of other people, like pulling X-Force out of a mission so they could stupidly travel to the future.


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    2. I do not agree with your assessment that Cyclops was trying to kill friend and enemy and innocent alike. He was doing what I stated above.

Then you simply are not paying attention. The above statement IS doing precisely that.


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    3. I see your point about shouldn't "have to" fight. But...I don't think Scott forced anyone to fight. I do think his judgment about how best to protect the younger X-Men was suspect. But as we will see in one month, the Original X-Men were children. Not much older than the 5 lights and other young mutants.

Cyclops was forcing them to fight. How on Earth could you have missed that very boldly stated point of Schism? That was the entire situation!


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    4. How was his plan homicidal if Hope ultimately ends up becoming Phoenix? If Hope is so "not ready" or "unwilling", why are the Avengers training her?? Surely they are not planning on letting Hope battle the Phoenix...or are they? Tell me how this current plan of action is any different than what Scott would have done? I don't think you can. You don't know what Scott's plan was...but I would argue his plan was no different than what is happening right now.

We do know what Scott's plan is and was. He stated it very clearly. Emma even tried to talk him out of it in the beginning.

1. Where was it specifically stated that Phoenix would wipe out all life on Earth? That may have been the Avengers take, but they don't know that...as evidenced by the fact that it's here in the form of the P5 and life is still going on. Also, I also don't recall Scott saying that Phoenix would "restart" the mutants race? I may have missed that but if I did, I don't believe that Scott was willing to gamble 7billion people's lives for his 200 or so mutants. That I would need to have a reference for. Please state the issue and I will check. What I read was Scott saying the Phoenix force would be a game changer. It would put "power" back on the side of the Mutant race. I read no mention of restarting the mutant race.

2. Sorry, but your opinion, is an opinion, not a fact. I have no problem with you having an opinion. I have a problem with you stating your opinion as fact. My opinion is Cyclops is not "tyring to kill friend, enemy and innocent" alike. Again, I did not read anything that stated he was willing to sacrifice 7 billion lives for his 200.

3. Again, I didn't read it the way you did. If anything, the line between being an X-Man and being a New Mutant is blurred. At what point does one decide when they are ready to fight? And who makes that decision? Kitty Pryde was 16 when she became an X-Man. Is that the magic age? If my kids were stuck in my house and people were trying to get in to take them away or do something sinister, you can damn well bet I would show them how to use a gun or something similar...if the numbers warranted it. Again, I bring up the Custer's last stand analogy. Hide the young ones...but the ones that can aim and shoot...they are aiming and shooting.

4. I did not see Emma talk Scott out of his plan. His plan was to train Hope to be able to handle the Phoenix force. There were doubts if she could handle it or if she wanted to handle it. No talk of not doing it. No talk of laying waste to 7billion people. Only talk of Scott and the Extinction Team trying to train Hope. So what happened? Cap said she comes with the Avengers. No if ands or buts. Scott said get lost. Cap said Scott had no choice. Scott said get lost with his visor. Then the Avengers attacked the island to get Hope. Then Hope took off...and went to the Avengers and what did they do???? They took her to K'un L'un and TRAINED HER TO DEAL WITH THE PHOENIX FORCE!!!! The exact thing Scott wanted in the first place. So the Avengers did what Scott wanted to do all along...except they painted him as the bad guy doing it. That's the story I am reading. What did you read?


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