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H Man

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Evil G:DR

Subj: Re: Someone always has to die. That's the law around here.
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 at 03:41:34 pm EDT (Viewed 3 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Someone always has to die. That's the law around here.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 at 07:43:32 pm EDT (Viewed 78 times)



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    I am almost-entirely agreed with you, other than from where I'm standing, Colossus' death was the last time the books really got it right...they managed to convince me that the other X-Men (and Magneto as well) DID care about Colossus, and their pain was real.


I do think Colossus' death was handled relatively well, all things considered. The guy had lost his entire family and been a sad sack for quite a while, and it was a noble, meaningful death. So I wouldn't put that on par with Nightcrawer's ridiculous death. I was actually okay with killing Colossus at the time, and he did get a full Kitty-centric send-off issue. There was just something about Joseph getting an entire funeral and that double-page spread of his shirtless ghost glowing in the heavens... it just struck me kind of queer considering what a (mostly reviled) blip on the radar he was.


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    If I'm understanding what you're saying correctly, it's something like "you can kill Warlock off and bring him back and you don't really need to explain it beyond saying 'he's an alien robot', or Dracula, and you can just say 'he was already undead', but with Colossus or Nightcrawler, where, despite their powers, they were still just mortal humanoid guys, and having this whole death-and-resurrection saga being part of their backstory becomes this huge millstone around their necks",


That's it, more or less. And maybe they can just largely ignore it, but it's still there. To people who care about continuity, the events still happened. "Millstone" might be a strong word for it, but it's just one more nit to pick. The death story is negated, and there's this extra backstory there for no reason. I can hardly think of any truly worthwhile deaths, and I've read thousands upon thousands of comics.


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    No, the problem there is that most resurrection storylines tend to just not be very good. The quick, painless "this character is back (or wasn't really dead in the first place), now here they are for Fighty Time" stuff tends to be reserved for villains, while dead heroes get brought back in storylines that are meant to be a big deal, and the deader they were, the more contrived the resurrection ends up needing to be, and all signs point towards the comics where this happens being bad ones.


I'm starting from the premise that it's almost always just plain an entirely bad idea to kill characters. If you have some important death and resurrection story that's going to be an important part of a character, so be it. But it's usually just to add artificial weight to a story that's too flimsy to stand up on its own. Like, almost always. I think Colossus is the last time I'll ever feel genuinely sad when a character dies. At this point it's just bothersome.


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    An absolutist stance of "no-one should ever die in comics" is in it's own way as bad an idea as the current approach. It should just be something that's done less frequently, and the aftermath dealt with a lot more than anyone bothers to anymore.


Yeah, I think the problem is just that I don't trust basically anyone to do it right. I was recently flipping through Onslaught and chuckling to myself that the stakes are so high but nobody ever dies. So I get that. It's just done so wrong so often by a committee of people who are too close to the process to properly evaluate it. There's probably a nice balance to be struck somewhere, but it seems hopelessly elusive.


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