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Subj: Re: A World Without Apocalypse
Posted: Sat May 10, 2014 at 03:25:26 pm CDT (Viewed 69 times)
Reply Subj: A World Without Apocalypse
Posted: Sun May 04, 2014 at 07:42:53 pm CDT (Viewed 70 times)
Maybe that was it. Regardless of Quesada/Jemas, whoever was in charge at the time thought it was stupid not to have Cyclops in the books when an X Men movie had just come out.
Powers wound up writing, huh? Who was it that went to DC? Mike Marts?
Then I've read quotes from a Nick Lowe. The editors answer the letter columns, right?
I saw this posted somewhere around the time morrison left. The interim period when I think austin wrote a couple issues. There is a letter in it decrying what they did to Scott and jean. The reply was that we love the couple. That many of us grew up thinking of them as the definitive comics couple. That their story is far from over. Something like that, it's been a long time. I remember just shaking my head. You've just spent the last 3 years takig a dump on the character. One of those Austin issues has Scott sucking face with Emma at the graveyard AGAIN, making some half assed apology to her grave. And you LOVE the couple? What would you doif you disliked them?
What I remember about Powers was he was viewed as the posterboy for the editorial interference that so many thought permeated the x books during this period.
You remember minute details much better than I do. I don't even recall that laughter from ENDGAME. Were you posting about this when the series came out? I never recall seeing ths from you before. How permanent you thought the SEARCH death was. Maybe all the resurrection over the years had desensitized me to thinking anything was permanaent. Just remember it didn't cross mymind that he might be gone for good this time.
Nicieza tied his opwers into the TO virus? You're right. I remember him having them in that 90s origin series as well. Come to think of it I recall glancing through a Cable and Deadpool during that period because it mentioned apocalypse. I don't recall many details about that issue except the characters all seemed in character. Scott sounded and acted like Scott, same with Beast and others. Like the lost I'd read them in character in a long time.
Yep, the creators that I read all seemed to love Morrison. What I see in interviews is how Scott grew up. Wheras I thought he had already grown up, a long time ago.
As always, fans who disliked or were ambivalent to Cyclops, I get. It's the self professed long time fans. I don't get how you like this. Why did you like the character? Cyclops and kill squads?
But to ech his own. Me, I cannot change why I liked the character.
With Sinister and Apocalypse it wasn't just fans. I remember Wizard specials where the editors said they needed a rest. And I never got it. There were multiple comic book villains, during this period, who got so much more exposure.
Norman was an ongoing character in Spider man for how many years after he returned. I'm not complaining. I loved him during this period, but if you were talking overexposed he'd put Sinister and apocalypse to shame.
With change it's where do you draw the line. Obviously, nothing eveer just stayed the same. I always talk about trappings. Change the trappings. Peter is a teacher not a Bugle employee. X Men operate out on the run, sans their technology,instead of the mansion. Don't fundamentally change the characters.
But when is it too much? That is an individual thing. Any character with a solo book, I mean the ones I spent decades reading. Superman, Spider man, Cap, Batman. Writers have done stuff, to shake the staus quo, that I have been uncomfortable with. But not far enough that I'd drop them. When is enough enough to get you to drop the books? They reached that point with me with X Men, FF and Spider Man. Those were the characters I had bought without fail.
Good example with Original Sin. However, I'm guessing there will be more of the former than the latter. What is the X Men's secret? Has it been revealed yet? Let me guess, something else Xavier did? Better yet, we can find out some dark secret from Cyclops' past. He never was squeaky clean.
There are posters out there who have convinced themselves that he has this shady history with Jack Winters. Huh? One job that he forced Scott into in which Scott worked against him the entire time is a shady past. Unless they think CHILDREN OF THE ATOM is canon. If it is that Hank went tothe same high school as Scott. That series isn't canon. But these spologists will do anything to justify the new Scott as bing in character.
I don't hate Cyclops. However, I stopped reading 10 years ago whereas you didn't. Looking at it objectively, I would think kill squads are worse than an affair, but I read the one and only read about the other. The one resonates a lot more because I read it and was invested emotionally.
Careful what you wish for is me in 2000. I wanted the character back very badly. Spent 10 years just wishing they'd left him dead. Everyone wanted Jean back. I siad they will just trash her. And what I've read about it I haven't liked. Personally, I'd rather you kill my favorite characters than trash them. I don't want either, mind you. But given a choice of one or the other? The movies killed Cyclops. I'd rather that then make him a star at the expense of what Iiked most about the character.
Rogue murdered Wanda? Rogue is dead? I did read how Wanda's insanity was blamed on stuff Doom did to her and that she was back. Was this just end of issue cliffhanger apparent death ot are they dead/dead? I mean at least for while.
The thing I didn't like about EOD Jean was the Frenzy stuff. The recruiting and leadership stuff I liked.Now, that was different, but different in a way I didn't think really changed the character.
As always, I don't like the word reprssed with Cyclops because I don't think he had been in a vey long time. Emotionally repressed people don't share a psychic rapport with someone else. That level of intimacy? They'd go batty.Controlled I never argued. Scott was always avery controlled person. His mutation kind of demanded that.
Now, this said, EOD Scott was definitely looser. To my recollection, people liked it. It amazed me how much cooler people found Scott when he did stuff himself instead of ordering someone to do it. But it was just him and Wolverine.
I was definitely a bit unsettled by his seeming to go along with Wolverine gutting magneto. On the other hand, I thought it was classic Scott dealing with all those Genoshan rebels. What, a hundred of them? Dozens at least. They confront him with weapons drawn. SCott says they just want to talk and proceeds, with richochets, to shoot the guns out of all their hands. Doesn't hurt anyone, just disarms them so they can talk.
There is an example of the difference between kickass and badass. badass is Logan sticking his claws about 2 inches from someone's face and suggesting they talk. What Scott did there was kickass.
I emailed Lobdell at the time. Or maybe it was on X Fanor some message board. He said he had zero interst in writing a dark Cyclops. While his freer Cyclops was contradicted by morrison's bottled up one, much as I'd like to blame Morrison, that is not really on him. Lobdell was the interim writer. It was on him no=t to contradict Morrison's plans. Not to say he deliberately did. Maybe he didn't know. I would think, in that case, an editor should have told him.
Emma freaking Frost has more of a place in the X books than jean Grey. It's bizarro X men. But it's what we have. Jean, despite 15 plus years of lead roles in X books, is relegated to chick who does nothing but dies status.
It's hard to say what is really working. I mean Avengers did supplant the X books in sales, right? Whatever. I guess it's still working enough that they publish all these X titles. It;s seeing all the Avengers books that startles me. Just wasn't that way when I stopped reading.
I know what you mean about working up enthusiasm. How much am I going to post about something I'm done reading? No matter how long I did read it. But there is a cord there.
Do you have the old ones archived anywhere? LOL, they were absolute gold.
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