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Reverend Meteor

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Grey Gargoyle

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Subj: Re: Again ? It has become a silly gimmick ... What's the point ?
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 11:11:28 am EDT (Viewed 739 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Again ? It has become a silly gimmick ... What's the point ?
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 07:00:44 am EDT (Viewed 728 times)

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    What's the point of keeping her dead.

... because she has never been more interesting in a book than during the original Dark Phoenix story.

Normally, I always prefer old-school Silver Age characters to newer ones.

For example, Silver Age villains : I dislike when a newcomer easily wins against a veteran.

Still, Jean Grey & Scarlet Witch are two of my exceptions.

Stan Lee is a genius when it comes to write about male characters ... not so much about women.

It can be explained by the fact that Silver Age superhero comics were written to be read by 1960s male teenagers.

Ororo, Kitty Pryde, Meggan, Firestar, Mirage, Illyana, 1980s Rachel Summers, are a 1000 times more interesting than classic Jean Grey ever was and ever will be.

She only became interesting during the Dark Phoenix story because it was fascinating to see, for the very first time, a major good character becoming a cosmic threat to everyone and because there was a moral dilemma about her fate.

Then, she was brought back in X-Factor and her return created much more mess than it added value.

Also, the character was totally bland compared to other female characters of the same period. The only true event was her lackluster wedding with Cyclops.

Then, much later, after decades of stories during which nothing happened to Jean Grey, Grant Morrison had no choice but to imagine something, anything, to make her less boring ... and the Phoenix comes back, and she dies again.

So, what's the point ? Rachel Summers as the Phoenix has always been more interesting than her mother.

    Especially when they trot out Hope Summers and time displaced teen Jean.

    Let's just have the real Jean and all the ersatz Jean can leave.

Yes but they can leave without Jean coming back. \:\-\)

I don't think Jean's boring. It's just the way they use her is awful.

Madelyne Pryor, the Phoenix, Rachel, Cable, her annoying attraction to smelly Wolverine. They just do bad stuff TO her. They never use her. She's like the Scarlet Witch...she exists to be life's punching bag. They lurch from catastrophe to catastrophe. And it's never really ABOUT them or what they want or their desires. They're both just always caught up in a bunch of nonsense that gets inflicted on them.

If they got rid of all these alternate timeline relatives, cosmic entities and aliens slaughtering her real family members maybe Jean would be ok. Jean sucks because of everything the writers do to always tear her down. No one has bothered to really let her be happy or in control of her life.

I mean has she really been in control of her life since the 70's?

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