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Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 11:26:51 am EDT (Viewed 737 times)
Reply Subj: Not happy
Posted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 at 05:49:12 am EDT (Viewed 713 times)
Quote:The power of undeserved nostalgia strikes again.
Nonsense. She was an original Stan Lee character. Rachel, Hope, Maddie and all these other Jean knock offs aren't.
What was the point of killing her off in the first place? So we could get years of Cyclops romping with Emma. Whatever the plan it never turned into anything interesting. (Emma's sassy comments got old quick)
Quote:I for one am very much against it. The first time they did it, at the launch of the original X-Factor, is the event I have always considered the one where the rot set in within the X-franchise. Among other things it destroyed Cyclops as a character, and to his recent death I would say he still hasn't recovered. And the very negative effects of the revival of the O5 then were IMO purely due to the nostalgia of a bunch of fans-turned-creators, i. e. to the same kind of forces that destroyed the Spider-franchise in 2007 with "One More Day" etc.
It is so not the same thing. Bringing back a long standing character is not the same as the devil warping reality and robbing a franchise of 20 years of history.
Quote:The second time they did it, with the time-displaced O5 (we've been given to understand by Marvel that they really are the original five X-Men, not people from an alternate timeline) was, as far as I can see, despised by a large part of X-fandom. So teen Jean is the "one true Jean", just younger, and remembering the blandness of adult Jean, I am very skeptic about the likely effects of replacing Jeen with Jean, and I consider the argument that the existence of teen Jean somehow proves that adult Jean must return nonsensical.
Complete nonsense. If Jean was useless then why have teen Jean?
Jean matters or she doesn't. If she doesn't then don't use teen Jean. If she does then use the original. This idiotic idea Marvel is doing where they are using teen Jean and Old Man Logan instead of deciding to let the characters rest or using the originals is what is nonsensical. Use the originals or let the originals stay dead. Don't let the originals stay dead and use their idiot past and future selves. It's f*cking retarded. These derivative characters are the rot killing the X-Men franchise. No one's an original anymore...they've been replaced with their alternate timeline knock off or clone or long lost child.
Quote:Neither does the existence of Rachel prove that adult Jean must return. Rachel is by far the more interesting character of the two, and they have coexisted in the past (and currently co-exist with Jean=Jeen). Some might even say that Madelyne Pryor (has she been mentioned in this thread so far?) was more interesting than Jean.
I never found Rachel interesting. Not the hound stuff. Not the whining about how her mommy and daddy from an alternate timeline shouldn't be able to live their own lives so she could born into the crappy future she came from. And that little rat tail she had. Never liked her. But unlike teen Jean she's a character in her own right. At least she's that.
Quote:Cable (and by extension Stryfe) may be a crappy character, but that's how he was created before it was decided to make him Scott and Madelyne's son. The fact that this was retconned in later was merely one of the many consequences of the disastrous first revival of Jean Grey (ca. X-Factor #1).
Cable was crappy before he became Scott and Madelyne's son. He became crappier still with the revelation. I'm all for revealing it isn't true and that Cable is NOT Scott and Madelyne's son. Scott and Jean would both be better off not being connected to that trash character.
Quote:Hope is someone I consider more a plot device than a character. Had Jean still lived at the time, Hope would probably still have appeared in the same storyline, only in that case she might not have resembled Jean as much. At least IMO.
She is a plot device. I'm all for retconning her existence away next time the timeline burps and readjusts.