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Subj: Re: Has House Of M And Decimation Been Undone, Or Is It Still In Play Or Being Referenced?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 02:43:51 pm EST (Viewed 317 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Has House Of M And Decimation Been Undone, Or Is It Still In Play Or Being Referenced?
Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2017 at 10:17:26 am EST (Viewed 332 times)

    It did make a difference to the X-Men's mission statement. From the beginning the X-Men were about locating mutants (preferably as soon as their powers manifested themselves), contacting them, preventing mutant supervillains from recruiting them for their purposes, and offering to school them in the use of their powers. If you had ten thousand mutants in the next town and did not show them, you would still have to explain why the X-Men would now effectively be telling them: "You're on your own, if you're pursued by violent mutiphobes don't bother us, we won't help you and we also don't care if you join Apocalypse's legions even though statistical probability would indicate that 10,000 mutants should contain at least 500 strong enough to jointly wipe out the X-Men in one fell swoop."

You should re-read the above and decide if a reasonable person would infer that the X-Men tried to contact every mutant.

    Few problems can be made to go away by steadfastly ignoring them.

Which implies that the existence of a mutant is a problem. I think most mutants are probably irrelevant. "Oh look, I have the power to turn my exhales yellow. Someone snap a photo!"

    Also, where do you get the figure of six million from? I thought that the 16 million killed in Genosha were less than half of the world's mutant population according to Morrison et al., so there should be at least 16 million (now mostly depowered) mutants around? Or am I misinformed?

It was me who was misinformed. When I wrote the above, I didn't know about the 16 million in Genosha and the idea that this was less than half of all mutants. You mention the 16 million further down. I should have edited my comment accordingly. Sorry. So let's say there were 40 million mutants in the world. That's a pretty ridiculous number, but still, if we assume six billion people in the world, then there would be one mutant to every 149 humans. It would still be possible - but just barely - to go your whole life without ever meeting a mutant. In any case, I agree, 40 million is stupid. This is the kind of mindless nonsense Morrison and his ilk just love to vomit onto the Marvel Universe.

    This ratio would mean that there are roughly 20,000 mutants living in the New York Metropolitan Area alone, so the school in Westchester would be too small to cope even with just local/regional demand (recall that there was no indication of there being nearly that many mutants before Morrison - writers tended to work with less than a million mutants worldwide, and some with significantly less than a million - so most of these 20,000 would be in their teens or at most early 20s).

You should re-read the above and decide if a reasonable person would infer that the X-Men tried to contact every mutant.

    Less importance to the global storylines means that there is even less reason to amp the number of mutants to Morrison's insane levels again than there was immediately after the Decimation.

There's no reason to ever amp up to 40 million, or 16 million, or even one million. Just bring back the mutants we already know.

    If there are persons in possession of a superpower in the Marvel Universe they tend to use those powers (narratively it is a bit like "Chekhov's gun"), people who don't ever use them are extremely rare. So you would have to explain to the readers WHY there are millions of superpowered mutants who will not use their powers, even to protect themselves or their loved ones.

Not everything has to be explained. But more to the point, the mutant whose power is to dry clean your jacket - or wake up small birds from a sound sleep by whistling - is not a threat to either side, the good guys or the bad guys.

    Sixteen million was Morrison's idea, before that one could have seen the mutant population of Genosha numbering in their thousands if not their hundreds. So no credit to him for getting rid of a problem that would never have existed without him.

Good point. Not that I was trying to give him credit for anything. I have no use for him.

    As for Genosha: It had stopped being modeled on South Africa when Magneto took over. And I have to say I have little patience with some forms of fan dogmatism where people hit on a shiny new interpretation and then want to get rid of what in the stories doesn't fit that interpretation ("mutants are a metaphor for homosexuals, so things that make anti-mutant discrimination remind us of racial discrimination must be removed"). Mutation has always been a metaphor for several things, not just minorities of all kinds, but also for the alienation felt by many during puberty. I think it diminishes the fascination of the mutant metaphor to make it exclusively into an allegory of one particular real-world phenomenon, especially if we are talking about phenomena that are also treated non-metaphorically in the stories, like homophobia or racism, that are no longer taboo.

Heterosexuals feel alienation during puberty? Alienation from whom? Their parents? I guess that's probably true, actually. OK, so alienation during puberty may be a nearly universal experience. Good point.

    Oh please! If someone wants to bring back El Aguila, there is nothing to stop them. The little extra effort it would take to repower him is far from prohibitive (are you going to claim that he wasn't worth that effort? \:\-\) ) If what I see from wikipedia and the Marvel Universe wiki is correct, he had not been seen before M-Day since 1988, i.e. a full seventeen years, and all we got to see was a panel in The New Avengers #18 (2006) - which the Marvel Universe wiki does not even consider conclusive evidence that El Aguila was in fact depowered.

The whole thing is just tedious. Mutants should have just stayed mutants and kept their powers. Marvel should simply have announced that Morrison was nuts, there were never 16 million mutants in Genosha. There didn't have to be an in-story solution. Some stories writers write are too stupid to be allowed to persist.

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