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Menshevik

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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: Re: Wanda's Gypsy and mystical roots
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 at 11:16:39 am EST (Viewed 105 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Wanda's Gypsy and mystical roots
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 at 08:19:37 am EST (Viewed 118 times)



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      I honestly can't understand the problem you have with Magneto being Wanda's father (unless you obsess about Wanda being a pure-blooded Roma). Before the retcon, Wanda already was a gypsy both by being the daughter of a gypsy woman, Magda, and by being raised in a gypsy family, the Maximoffs. And the mystical powers thing had also been there. So returning Wanda and Pietro to being Magneto's children would be positive for Pietro and largely indifferent for Wanda, so there's no need to add further complications like giving the twins different fathers.



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    See even you admit making Magneto Wanda's father is irrelevant to her story. Making her Magneto's daughter does nothing for her. Making her half jewish does nothing for her.


No, I admitted no such thing. Irrelevant =/= indifferent. What I was saying is that being Magneto's daughter does not make her position worse and NOT being Magneto's daughter does not make it better, after you claimed the opposite. As far as her STORY goes (which is something I did not even address in my last post), I'd say there are quite a few good reasons to see it as preferable for her to be Magneto's daughter. One that immediately springs to mind is that a lot of already existing stories hinged on Magneto being her and Pietro's father and none of them were improved, indeed most of them were diminished by the later retcon that Magneto wasn't their father. All the retcon did was take an already complicated story and add an unnecessary further complication. So I say, get rid of it as they got rid of the retcon that made Magneto a Gypsy.


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    She should be full Roma.


Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but absent of valid reasons to make that change (which Marvel made for reasons that were not story-related but only came out of their dispute with Fox) it is nothing more than a personal preference.


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      Also, I never was too enthusiastic about giving Wanda mystical powers because it is such an overused cliché to have Gypsy characters magic-users (going back to 19th-century operas and novels if not beyond into the 18th century). Wanda having mutant hex-powers also generally fit the X-books better as a comicbook science thing and in a way it was refreshing to have two non-magic Gypsy kids in the Maximoff twins because in Marvel the correlation Gypsy = Magic User does seem pretty much 1:1 when you look at women (Cynthia von Doom, Gretchin (Lilith's foster-mom), Margali Szardos, Jimaine Szardos/Amanda Sefton) and Gypsy men, if they aren't sorcerers themselves (like Doctor Doom and Stefan Szardos) they at least are married or related to magic-users. So I don't really see much purpose in exploring Wanda's mystical roots in her (maternal) family tree as this is the kind of stuff you get with most Gypsy characters in Marvel anyway, while her mother Magda is a rare exception from the usual "operatic" Gypsy cliché and a stab at a more realistic portrayal of a Roma and the prejudices and persecution her people suffered in the 20th and 21st century.



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    Wanda is rarely an x-character and yes I like legitimately mystic Wanda. She's dabbled in the mystic arts for years but only recently has she decided to really become a witch in her ongoing series and I liked the direction because it gave her a purpose which is something she frankly never had before. She was always willing to let herself be defined by Magnus, Pietro, Simon and Vision.


She could have done/can do that while still being Magneto's daughter. If you say that it is indispensible that she no longer is his child (and that she has to rid herself of the authority of her deceased mother's former husband and the father of her dead half-sister - wow, that really rolls of one's tongue, doesn't it?), that only weakens her as a character again.


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      I did not like it when they tried to make Wanda more "Gypsy-like", and I really disliked the new costume that George Pérez designed for her - it looks more like an operetta costume than something a Romani woman would wear in real life, not to mention that the primary purpose of the change clearly was to show a bit of the wearer's skin.



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    Well I didn't really like it either...she seemed more like a belly dancer in that costume.





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