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Menshevik

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Reverend Meteor

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Subj: Re: Wanda's Gypsy and mystical roots
Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 at 04:27:14 am EST (Viewed 48 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Wanda's Gypsy and mystical roots
Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2017 at 12:03:03 pm EST (Viewed 63 times)



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      No, I admitted no such thing. Irrelevant =/= indifferent. What I was saying is that being Magneto's daughter does not make her position worse and NOT being Magneto's daughter does not make it better, after you claimed the opposite. As far as her STORY goes (which is something I did not even address in my last post), I'd say there are quite a few good reasons to see it as preferable for her to be Magneto's daughter. One that immediately springs to mind is that a lot of already existing stories hinged on Magneto being her and Pietro's father and none of them were improved, indeed most of them were diminished by the later retcon that Magneto wasn't their father. All the retcon did was take an already complicated story and add an unnecessary further complication. So I say, get rid of it as they got rid of the retcon that made Magneto a Gypsy.



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    God forbid one leap to the assumption that irrelevant = indifferent. Perhaps you could have used a different wording to avoid the confusion all together.


Somehow I doubt it (see below).


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      Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but absent of valid reasons to make that change (which Marvel made for reasons that were not story-related but only came out of their dispute with Fox) it is nothing more than a personal preference.



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    Yes I have a personal preference. You have a personal preference. For some reason you think you are entitled to yours and that I'm not entitled to mine. And this is a character who has routinely been rewritten.


One should think that "you're entitled to your opinion" left no wriggle room, but you try to twist it into meaning the opposite. Yes, it is your personal preference (for which you need no reason), but as long as you supply no compelling reasons for upholding the change there is no reason for me or anyone else to agree with you.


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    By my count she's had 4 sets of parents. Robert and Madeline Frank. Django and Marya Maximoff. Magnus and Magda. Natlya Maximoff and unknown. Plus High Evolutionary also called the twins his children in a story a few years back. So no I don't think her history is something sacred that should be upheld. Her history is a distorted abomination. What's it hurt to add or delete one more thing in all of this nonsense?


Don't forget Bova! The first three or four sets emerged within five years (1974 to 1979). First Robert and Madeline Frank were declared to be the twins' parents, then that was changed because some writer (was it Roy Thomas?) noticed that this origin contradicted what had already been established about their biography (notably Pietro remembering their father playing with puppets). So it was changed. AFAIK the Maximoffs were never intended to be more than Wanda and Pietro's adoptive parents, but the creators then decided to make Magneto and Magda their parents, also bringing in the High Evolutionary and Bova with a role to play. And that worked very well, thank you very much, and was left unchanged for ca. 35 years (so much for "routinely changed"), more than twice as long as it took for the mystery of Wanda and Pietro's parentage to be solved (15 years from their first appearance to Yesterday Quest). Then it was arbitrarily changed for no in-story necessity in a way that did not improve the existing stories at all.

So from a story point of view, the addition of Natalya Maximoff and the as-yet-unrevealed father merely adds unnecessary further convolutions and loose ends (who is/was the real biological father (or, if we follow your pet scenario, who are fathers)? why is Wanda the spitting image of Magda? what is the reason for Pietro's uncanny resemblance to Magneto?). So deleting this "thing" would simplify the story, remove the necessity of going back to it to address the questions it created but left unanswered, and make it better.


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