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Subj: Rogue Loves Gambit and Gambit Loves Rogue. But love is complicated and there are different kinds of love...
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 04:22:04 pm EST (Viewed 179 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Rogue & Gambit #2
Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2018 at 04:46:12 am EST (Viewed 164 times)

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    "As I already noted that Gambit was joking, what I am beginning to wonder is that Kelly Thompson might be meaning it seriously in a "There's many a true word spoken in jest" kind of way."

    Maybe it helped that I heard an interview with her talking about Rogue and Gambit, but I'm of the opinion that she meant it in a jesting manner. She's a fan of how weirdly sleazy Gambit was in the TV series and wanted to channel that into her interpretation of those early days. I think Kelly wrote it appropriately. Also, something that was enlightening, is that the guy who wrote the The Pickup Artist is the same guy who wrote on those X-Men episodes...so that makes a lot of sense when it comes to Gambit being creepy weird.

Maybe it did not help that I read a few reviews written by fans who do not hide that they see Rogue/Remy as their OTP (One True Pair) or at any rate as a "classic" Marvel romance. I saw R/R in the 1990s as one of the most dysfunctional pairings in the X-mythos, maybe even the most dysfunctional one. And where I say "Remy probably genuinely loves Rogue, but that does not necessarily mean that they would good for each other or that she is obliged to love him back" (I keep getting flashes of Ralph Wiggum and Lisa Simpson about this), some of these people treat "Remy loves Rogue and Rogue loves Remy" as the premise on which they base their reflections.

I would also say that the retcon Kelly Thompson inserted into the Muir Island Saga is too "heavy" and problematic (mind control, the Shadow King) to really fit in with the light tone she is apparently aiming for. And I would say it hurt Gambit as a character, because even in the sequences set in the present his general attitude to the matter is insensitive and self-centred. I must say I liked him a lot better during Carey's XML run and after, when you saw him caring for Rogue's happiness and talking to her as a friend even when she became involved with Magneto and when she made no sign of returning to him after that romance ended.

Also I think this series as the 1990s R/R romance lays too much emphasis on Rogue not being able to control her power. Even in the 1990s there were many ways of overcoming this (Genoshan collars, the device Joseph built for Rogue, etc. etc.) and when Rogue and Gambit last broke up it was at a time when Rogue was in full control. Even these days it does not seem unsurmountable, vide the way Rogue absent-mindedly touched Johnny Storm skin to skin in Uncanny Avengers #28 (since this happened on no less than three panels I'm inclined to think this was no slip-up on the part of the artist).

I think you kind of hit the nail on the head. I don't necessarily like the pairing of Gambit and Rogue. They are a pair, but maybe not a good romantic pair. There's tension, but really Gambit should back off. He's self-centered...and...he's self-centered.

The intent that Kelly Thompson seems to have (from the interview and the comic) is that love between people is complicated and grows over time to be different things. I think I'd be perfectly fine if, at the end of this story, they're not a romantic couple but really good friends. And I think Kelly Thompson really isn't leaning one way or another with it.

As for the Muir Island part, I don't think Gambit was insensitive. He purposefully didn't talk about their first meeting. He told the Doctor about what happened after their first meeting because he had to say something (to keep up with their undercover assignment) and Rogue thanked him for not talking about that first meeting between them. As for the Shadow King bit, I can brush it off as "He wasn't fully in control of Rogue and Gambit at the time...in fact...he was losing control. That's why Rogue and Gambit feel "fuzzy." The whole thing reads more like drunkenness and the morning after than mind control" or somesuch thing like that. There's a no-prize in there, for sure. But also, Gambit was an insensitive guy in the past. This is the Gambit that brought together the Marauders. A few issues after this one, Sabertooth recognizes him enough to make some comment to that effect.

They know each other, they love eachother (in their own way), and they kind of piss each other off. There's something real about that that doesn't come across in other instances of Rogue and Gambit together. Usually it's this "Grand Southern Gothic Love Story" thing. This is more like a cop stake-out where cops with a romantic past have to play like they're in a relationship.

As a fan of X-books, and not necessarily Rogue/Gambit together, I'm coming at this kind of fresh, but I like that it is exploring this side of relationships...the "What relationship do you have with your ex?" relationship. And I hope that it doesn't end romantically. Or if it does, I hope it ends with something that is a true revelation, rather than just the Speed mantra of "tense situations makes people all gooey romantic."

- l.k.

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