Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
He was loved.

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Subj: Re: Well see, here's the thing.
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 at 04:37:38 pm EDT (Viewed 113 times)
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John had one thing that could be remotely interesting about him: he had a really horrible, jerky, egotsitical attitude and got along with nobody. He was even more abrasive than early Wolverine. And you want to take that from him?!

That just seems more boring than he already was.

I've never seen James as boring. He's the fun-loving guy of that family. I think he needs to hook back up with Risque.

That was a problem at Marvel and DC at the time. With a few exceptions, they had no idea how to write non-white characters.

Most of the minority characters introduced at the big 2 were given extremely angry personalities: Sunfire, Thunderbird, Tyroc. If you read Danielle Moonstar's first appearance, she comes off much the same way.

The ones who weren't full of rage were given really terrible "streetwise" dialogue. Luke Cage and Cyborg, two very popular characters, were supposed to be speaking jive, but their dialogue was really just unreadable, much like Chris Claremont's atrocious attempt to make Rogue sound like she had a southern accent. Reading her dialogue was as painful as reading Cyborg's.

Otherwise, they were light and airy like characters from a fairy tale. Storm, T'Challa, and Norda were given otherworldly personalities and spoke like computers.

All of these are great characters, but their dialogue has never felt natural.

My point being, Thunderbird was a casualty of the prevailing trend at the time, which was to write him as an angry and inaccessible person.

I don't know if you ever read Grant Morrison's somewhat puzzling 1993 one-shot Doom Force, which was an unnecessary parody of Rob Liefeld's work. There is a character in it who sacrifice's himself at the end of the issue, and it makes one trend glaringly obvious; creating a character just to be killed off. Thunderbird's death seemed a lot like this trope.

I like renewal, and taking discarded characters and making something out of them. James Robinson did this a lot in Starman, Geoff Johns does it a lot, and the new X-Men paradigm has done it for so many characters, and they could do it for many more. I've always thought Thunderbird was a missed opportunity, and I'd love to see a new take on him.

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