Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
He was loved.

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The Black Guardian 
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The Silver Surfer

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Subj: Re: Well see, here's the thing.
Posted: Fri Jul 16, 2021 at 03:55:03 pm EDT (Viewed 78 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Well see, here's the thing.
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 at 07:25:18 pm EDT (Viewed 106 times)

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    The ones who weren't full of rage were given really terrible "streetwise" dialogue. Luke Cage and Cyborg, two very popular characters, were supposed to be speaking jive, but their dialogue was really just unreadable, much like Chris Claremont's atrocious attempt to make Rogue sound like she had a southern accent. Reading her dialogue was as painful as reading Cyborg's.


Gerry Conway actually once made a comment on this idea in his Justice League days. When he created Vibe, he had a thick Puerto Rican accent while out in public, but not at home. The idea is that is was a way of distancing his two personas, but also confronting the idea of how he was "supposed to talk," despite being raised in Detroit and not Puerto Rico. Members of the team mention the change, but the point was that nobody questioned it. Conway has since said that he idea was "too clever by half."

The fact is much of the "jive talk" I personally think fell into the category of "heart in the right place, but execution is wanting." On the same topic Conway said he still believes it was a good idea, but he was not the one to execute the idea effectively.



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    I like renewal, and taking discarded characters and making something out of them. James Robinson did this a lot in Starman, Geoff Johns does it a lot, and the new X-Men paradigm has done it for so many characters, and they could do it for many more. I've always thought Thunderbird was a missed opportunity, and I'd love to see a new take on him.


I have to agree. Thunderbird died in his third appearance. It is ridiculous to write him off so easily. Is that really enough to decide there is no potential? Wolverine in his first three appearances hardly set the world on fire, now hie is one of Marvel's most overused characters.

I remember that he served in the military, what was that experience like? What was living on the reservation like? Was there a love of his life? A one that got away? Relationship with his parents? Why join the X-Men if he was that pissed off?

With his death, there is so much more.

What is it like to be a footnote X-Man? What would he be like with his brother? Would his younger brother now be older? Having died being so headstrong, would he be more cautious? What changes would he want to make?

Saying all that can been said about him has after three issues and handful of flashbacks show a bit of a lack of imagination, or lack of belief int eh complexity of the human condition.



Well, he did get brought back for that Chaos War mini several years ago. He sacrificed himself again, hoping it actually meant something this time.

Also, he's able to use the power of his tribal god, the Thunderbird, which has also be alluded to be The Phoenix in other stories.




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