Dave Galanter
December 1st 1969 - December 12th 2020
He was loved.

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Menshevik

Member Since: Sat May 17, 2008
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The Silver Surfer

Member Since: Fri Jul 17, 2020
Subj: I don't want to set the world on fire...
Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 at 09:34:17 am EDT (Viewed 76 times)
Reply Subj: Re: Well see, here's the thing.
Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2021 at 07:25:18 pm EDT (Viewed 105 times)



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      I like renewal, and taking discarded characters and making something out of them. James Robinson did this a lot in Starman, Geoff Johns does it a lot, and the new X-Men paradigm has done it for so many characters, and they could do it for many more. I've always thought Thunderbird was a missed opportunity, and I'd love to see a new take on him.



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    I have to agree. Thunderbird died in his third appearance. It is ridiculous to write him off so easily. Is that really enough to decide there is no potential? Wolverine in his first three appearances hardly set the world on fire, now hie is one of Marvel's most overused characters.


I don't know how the readers reacted to Wolverine's first three appearances (Incredible Hulk #180 (one panel only), 181 and 182), so I can't tell if he set the world on fire or not. However, it would seem that Marvel already expected big things of him, because, as I see from his wikipedia article, Marvel featured Wolverine in house ads before his first full appearance, Hulk #181.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolverine_(character)#Publication_history

Unfair? Well, it would be hard to try to deny that it was...

On the other hand, there's the much-quoted saying that you measure a hero by their enemies. In his first appearance Wolverine fought among Marvel's heavyweights, fighting against both the Hulk and the Wendigo in his first three appearances. Meanwhile, in his first appearance, Thunderbird was one of thirteen (seventeen, if you factor in the "Deadly Genesis" retcon) X-Men fighting Krakoa, and in the two that followed, Thunderbird was one of seven X-Men (plus a telepathically present Professor X) up against Count Nefaria and his five Ani-Men. Now Nefaria gave them superpowers for this story, but the Ani-Men did not have a fearsome reputation at that point. They were simple villains for hire, and in previous appearances they had managed to get themselves defeated by Daredevil all alone. And Nefaria at that point was still only a non-powered normal human with a plan.




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